Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hypno birthing

[Denise Hynd]

Thank you Mary   I  think it is interesting we can question using water in labour and birth aas  "not natural"? When we disturb the labours of women in so many ways from what they would do "naturally" if left where they start labour ? Few women at home go near their beds to birth or labour! Let alone to a place that is not theirs, or do anything other than  what they feel is right not what some-one they know thinks is right and convenient for them, let alone someone they do not and who does not know and care for them!!   We also  disturb the labours of women in so many ways that we do for no other species, just ask a vet or try to interrupt the pet cat or dog whilst they are in labour, you and they would be in trouble if you try!! That is what we do and get with women but do we relect and say it is our system that is at fault??? Meanwhile many women report that getting into the water besides everything like taking a bath (relaxing, ....) feels like they enter their own space, gain some privacy But we say this is not natural perhaps because it is out of our control? Though is that  what the workshops are about we need to maintain safety standards or control ?? What I am suggesting is outrageous or is it ?? That is what I appreciate about homebirth midwives they are interested in exploring the outrageous and even the insulting?!! Denise     ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Murphy To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:35 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] Hypno birthing Helen wrote: > Certainly as a midwife there seems to be a few do's and don't to learn and > there are various "waterbirth workshops" being run for midwives to the > extent that I feel if you weren't experienced in waterbirthing you might > endanger the baby's life - e.g. the mother must either stay in the water or > get out of the water during crowning but mustn't interchange between the > two!!! correct me if I am wrong.........that worries me........ Helen, the more waterbirths I attend, the less I do.  Actually, the only don'ts I observe is 1. don't have the water too hot-altho I am not truly convinced this is a problem as sooo many women have very hot baths in pregnancy and on the otherside, maternal fever in labour  by itself, does not kill babies either.  2. If the baby's mouth is born out of water, I usually don't put the head underwater again, I birth the baby in the air.  Once again, it is because I don't really know if the baby will gasp or not.  More a lack of confidence in my own knowlege.  Waterbirthing is a wonderful way to keep everyone away from the woman and let her do it her way and a gentle entry into the world for the baby. cheers, MM