Re: [ozmidwifery] re. sleep article

[Melinda Whyman]

As a co-sleeping mum who has just joined this list recently - I must say I'm enjoying thi sleep thread immensly!   Not sure if I'm wandering a little too far off the path - but I thought I'd post this question I've been pondering of late......   Whilst many of us agree on the benefits of co-sleeping for both mum and baby - it does interest me how often I hear/read about co-sleeping parents who literally describe themselves as "walking zombies", "chronically sleep deprived" and "mindless" due to the lack of sleep they have been receiving since the birth of their co-sleeping children.   What I'm wondering is this.....is this fatigue in direct response to their co-sleeping r'ship with their child?   And if so - do you believe that this sleep deprivation is more so a reflection of our Western approach to sleep and daily life in general ie. mothers are not only expected to tend to their babies at night - but also get up and cook, clean, do school pick up etc all the following day?   OR   Do you believe or know to be true that this pattern of chronic sleep deprivation is also an experience felt by traditional women practiticing this form of attached parenting also?   Strange question I know.   But in light of the fact that this sleep deprivation is most often the reason why parents choose NOT to share sleep with their kids.....I think its an area that we do really need to examine more closely.   I tend to believe that its not so much the impact of the co-sleep approach that's the problem - but more so our societal expectations of women as mothers day to day that causes them to lose steam and steer away from such an intense, attached experience of parenting their children. Which if true - offers up a very sad message about what we as a society truly value as important.   Keen to hear all your thoughts on this one.     Melinda Whyman   NATURAL PARENTING MELBOURNE www.naturalparenting.com.au/npm/ ~Parenting Naturally - Respecting our children and our Earth~ Phone: +61 3 9756 0464 ----- Original Message ----- From: Nicole Christensen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:02 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] re. sleep article Is it any wonder that all these children are havng such a dreadful time sleeping - when we live in a world  a "good" baby is one who sleeps all night... and tucked far away in her own bed, in another room .. (like it or not)... AND if she doesn't do that... make her scream and sob her heart out... her spirit will eventually be broken....she'll surrender and eventually sleep.... " a mother and a newborn have every right to be together from birth on. This can make a significant contribution toward producing a trusting individual capable of warm, close relationships. Both Mother and Child have a need for reciprocal stimulation which should not be interfered with. Yet the greatest interference of all is placed upon them. Separation. The reasons for this separation are now being questioned." (The Family Bed by Tine Thevenin)... "A lot of people are so square as to think they're entitled to a night's sleep. Nobody is entitled to a full nights sleep, whether a parent or not, if someone needs her or him." (also from the Family Bed) kind regards, Nicole     ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham and Helen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:34 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Interesting article This is interesting and makes me wonder if there was any pattern in the sleeping arrangements of these children?? i.e. co-sleeping, separate bedrooms etc....this seems to be often overlooked as a variable in such studies.   http://news.ninemsn.com.au/nnhwatch/story_55760.asp     Helen Cahill