Yes pinky, I agree that we should look at the circumstances as to why we are yelling at the kids.  I say to my hubby (who btw is one of those wonderful men who STILL gets up to the children at night each time, each night, and I agree with Megan...I don't say I am lucky, I just say I have a husband who loves his kids and wants to be apart of their lives -hence fathering....) that when he gets home 12 hours after he had left and I am getting short with the kids, that I haven't been like that all day...just the last 20 minutes! 
 
Isn't it amazing when you see another mother 'melt' in front of you when you say that showing frustration/anger (to a degree), etc in front of the children is not a sign of a bad mother! 
 
A bad mother...bad baby....what on earth does that mean?????
 
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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] more baby stuff

Hey jo- I tell mums at my toddler workshops that yelling is a natural biological reaction to stress!! You should see their jaws drop in shock (and relief) - so often they come because they do feel bad about "losing it". I then talk about how if we find ourselves yelling too often we need support to help us deal with the stress.  I think just having permission to be less than perfect is a big help to any of us. I had a house full of twelve year old boys here recently and after a "nosleepover" found myself yelling "if you dont cut your crap, I will take you all to the RSPCA! "- Shoulda seen them stop in their tracks and laugh hysterically -at least I created a diversion - within seconds the discussion had turned to cleaning cages and abandoned animals. Maybe they were secure enough not to take me seriously-I dont know where it came from but I was glad they werent littlies.
Pinky
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Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] more baby stuff

I have been reading this thread with great interest and biting at the bit to say something.  I was talking to a first time mum the other day and she said something like "I don't know how you can have three boys and still function!  Aren't you beside yourself all the time?"...first I thought what on earth is this woman talking about !!!  I am the most stressed mother in existence....but then I stopped and contemplated...no that is just what I think I am, but in reality I am not. 
 
It brought me to the memory of being in labour with my first...about 17 hours into an op presentation labour and I had this weird experience: I thought I was supposed to be 'losing it' like the mothers depicted on the TV I suppose, and so went with this "I cant do it anymore!" type role.  But as clear as day I heard a voice in my head saying "yes you can and you are doing it great!!"  It is like my parenting.
 
It has taken me three children to just 'allow' myself to love my kids as the wonderful people they are, to feel good about my parenting and to not be so hard on myself when I do get over stressed and freak out at them (Most of the time they even deserve it!)  I am glad that I had them all close together - 7,5,3 all boys- as I have been able to learn that it is okay to be relaxed to hug and kiss in a short period of time.
 
The first time mother was getting upset about a multiple number of issues, for eg that baby still feeds for ages and she has to just sit down whilst there is so much that needs to be done.  I said that perhaps baby knows that you need to sit for a  while and will feed slowly to make you sit down!  Instead of spending that time looking at the pile of ironing building up in the corner, spend that time memorising every sound, sight and touch you can of your baby's face, fingers, toes etc.  My 7 yo wont let me hug him anymore unless it is at night or on his terms....perhaps he got used to not getting hugs...?
 
Why cant we nurture our mums to feel good about loving their children, instead of enforcing the need to control them ???  It takes a great deal of strength and self worth to say no, I am not happy with that suggestion - usually by an 'expert'.  I only half jokingly call the CYH the Gestapo....  I remember ringing some poor sod one day when the kids were driving me to insanity and back, and said to the phone person that I was not allowed to yell at the kids so she was going to cop it until I became calm enough to be able to rationally talk to the children about their behaviour (cause I hadn't been doing that all day anyway!!!!)  I think too much of the advice given to parents simply do not take into account the realities of life.  Fine to have a break from everything, go for a walk and so on, but some women just don't have the chance so by suggesting things like that only compound their sense of 'failure' because they can not do even the simplest of tasks......
sorry for rambling...that is why I hadn't said anything to date cause I knew I would not stop!!!  but I will have to go.
 
gotta go and yell at the kids!
just kidding...
love Jo
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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 4:27 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] more baby stuff

Taking up Marilyn's point of looking back and wishing for more hugs I had a woman in her 80's look at me with Ena in her sling and tell me how lucky we mothers are today because we are allowed to cuddle our babies. She said she wasn't allowed to do that with her babies instead feed 4/24 and put into the cot crying till the next feed. No wonder women get stressed. I can't bear to hear Ena cry and I would get no sleep if I tried to put her in her cot when she wasn't ready. She is as determined as me. Sometimes I do put her there when I think she is asleep and she gives me a look as if to say "what do you think you're doing?"
I must say when I am out and feeding or holding Ena I have ready helpers. People, both male and female, get you your food, drinks, make sure you have a seat etc, and sit near you to talk and entertain you. These things are so helpful to a new mum and make you feel part of the scene not something that should be hiding in the corner.
It is also great to hear all of the stories of parenting from different times, backgrounds and environments that pop up on this list. It adds depth to all of the theoretical stuff written about babies, parenting etc.
Thank you for the positive feedback from my rave yesterday. It is certainly a learn as you go job. I think working 21 years of shiftwork certainly helps you be a bit accustomed to lack of sleep but what I had never factored in was that unquestioning desire to attend to your baby even when you are tired or whatever. Nature was wise to include this in the package!!
Jackie

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