I agree - arbitrary time-restrictions just cause problems, particulary if it means a forceps birth because she hasnt been allowed the time she needs to push that baby out. But that was last time.
Now we need to find some research on the the incidence of a another 3rd/4th degree tear if she has another vaginal birth.
Great to hear your still in the battle, Julie!!
Leanne.



From: "Julie Garratt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] 4th degree tear
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:13:18 +0930

Hi Leanne,
The fear factor for this woman of pushing out this baby will undoubtedly
be huge, As a student Midwife am I missing something? surely if the babe
is happy the slower and gentler she births the better it will be for her
mind and her peri.
Cheers, Julie Garratt


-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of leanne wynne Sent: Thursday, 12 August 2004 12:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] 4th degree tear

Hi All,
I have an antenatal client whose first birth was an emergency C/S for
APH.
Seven years later (2003) she had a VBAC but had a forceps delivery and
consequently a 4th degree tear. Now she is pregnant again and the
obstetrician is scaring her with the possibility of another 4th degree
tear
and therefore a higher chance of suffering faecal incontince as a
consequence.
Does anyone have any evidence-based information on the liklihood of
another
4th degree tear and subsequent faecal incontinence.
What frustrates me is the fact that the forceps delivery was because the

obstetrician put a time-limit on how long this woman was allowed to
'push'!!
I appreciate any info anyone can give me.
Thanks,
Leanne.

Leanne Wynne
Midwife in charge of "Women's Business"
Mildura Aboriginal Health Service  Mob 0418 371862

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