Re: [ozmidwifery] gestational diabetes and antenatal ebm

[mh]

They're not assigned to BF or AF. Just that if they're BF an
d for some reason change their mind at any time during the (I think) 1st 
year, or use a comp etc, they use the one supplied which is unidentified (I 
think). You can look it up if you google TRiGR. I heard an inservice on it 
which didn't sound at all unethical. They are trying to promote BF but the 
fact of the metter is that in the real world  the majority of mothers do 
comp with something at least once during their breastfeeding experience and 
many do wean to a bottle and formula. It is these they are trying to catch.
Monica
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From: "Nicole Carver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Unfortunately, they seem to be signing people up before they have their
babies, to be in a RCT between cow's milk and non-cow's milk based 
formulas.
A bit dodgy ethically to me! Does anyone else know more about this?
Nicole C
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From: "Sandra J. Eales" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Marilyn
There might not be much on expressing antenatally, but there is quite a
bit
of research on the increased risk of children developing type1 diabetes 
if
they are exposed to cow's milk.  In fact I heard just the other night on
the
news that there is a multi centre study going on - they were trying to
recruit pregnant women or babies where one parent was diabetic.. hoping 
to
follow 6000 kids. I don't recall the details of where it was being done
though.
Sandra

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From: "Marilyn Kleidon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Way to go Denise, I totally agree. However, am part of a working group
for
> BFHI reaccreditation and was asked to find the evidence. So, I was just
> wondering if there was some that I had missed.
>
> marilyn
>
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> From: "Denise Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 3:41 PM
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>
>> Hi Marilyn
>>
>> I won't swear to it but I don't know that there is any research out
there
>> on this practice. However to give newborns their own mother's milk is
> kinda
>> natural and not really something that we need research to prove is a
good
>> thing do we? Wouldn't it be more to the point to ask those who are
giving
>> newborns something other than breastmilk to come up with the evidence
to
>> prove that what they are doing is not detrimental?? I'd like to see
that
>> ... could have them running around in circles for years trying to find
>> anything to support that practice as opposed to giving mother's own
> colostrum.
>> All you really need proof of is that expressing antenatally won't put 
>> a
>> mother into preterm labor, which it won't and I'm sure you'll find
plenty
>> out there on that - then ensure that the mothers know how to store and
>> transport their milk safely when the time comes.
>>
>> There's lots more than just giving breastmilk though that can 
>> stabilise
> the
>> newborn's glucose levels quickly and efficiently - starting with
>> undisturbed skin-to-skin on mother's chest from the moment of 
>> birthing.
>>
>> I really do implore everyone to think long and hard before scampering
>> around trying to find research articles to prove what is normal and
> natural
>> while practices using what is detrimental to
>> birthing/breastfeeding/whatever continue without questioning.  Please
>> consider looking the perpetrators in the eye and saying "First, do no
> harm!
>> - your practice is not 'normal' - prove to me that it is doing no
harm!!"
>>
>> Cheers
>> Denise
>>
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