Would the pink kit be of any help perhaps?

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denise Hynd
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 8:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] broken collar bone & subsequent birth

Dear Bernie
I suggest you do a bit of reading about how women can work with their
babies 
and bodies and compared that with what happened?
Start with Andrea's articles and books on active birthing 
(www.birthinternational.com.au) .
Then you also need to look at what can  and does happen with a caesarian

section
Try the Birthrites (www.birthrites.org.au) sites to begin and then you
may 
be at least be trying to make an informed decision about what you want
for 
yourself and your baby.

If you decide you want to work for a VBAC then you need to find some one
who 
has expereince in helping women acheive that!!


Denise Hynd

"Let us support one another, not just in philosophy but in action, for
the 
sake of freedom for all women to choose exactly how and by whom, if by 
anyone, our bodies will be handled."

- Linda Hes

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mary Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:35 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] broken collar bone & subsequent birth


> Seems to me that bed dystocia could have played apart in this, along
with
> the forced pushing.  Being on the bed in the classic obstetric
position,
> sitting on the coccyx does not allow the baby to come out easily.  You

> would
> be better off on your hands and knees and not forcing the pushing.
There 
> is
> lots of info around about this, but it is late at night and I'm tired,
so
> maybe one of the other midwives could point you in the right
direction.
> Epidurals make this situation worse, so don't agree to one.  Cheers,
MM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nigel &
Berni
> Sent: Thursday, 23 June 2005 9:31 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] broken collar bone & subsequent birth
>
> Sorry - I did leave a bit out didn't I. Here's more:
>
> Max (1st born) was 9lb 7oz and approx. 2 weeks early so they believe
this
> could be another 'Big' baby. It runs in my husbands family - his
mother 
> had
> no smaller than 10lb and her last & biggest was nearly 12 pounds!!
> But I believe Max's labour was 'rushed' I had only been pushing for 30
> minutes when my doctor (GP) -we don't have a GYNO in Swan Hill)
suggested 
> a
> caesar or suction. But I remember my midwife saying "no Kathy you
might 
> like
> to push for another 30 minutes". Well I thought I was going to die -
as 
> you
> do and I decided to proceed with suction. Looking back now I know I 
> probably
> should have pushed a bit longer? I feel if I had of pushed a bit
longer he
> would have come at his own pace and maybe not have broken his collar
bone?
> So this is why I feel a caesarean would be a bit unnecessary?
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Janet Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] broken collar bone & subsequent birth
>
>
>> Do you know what she means? Was it one of those ugly OB dystocia
moves?
>> I'm not sure what to offer with only that info. More please!
>> :D
>> J
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