yeh i realise that :) i just thought it might have been because of the pelvic floor being tensed up and hence tearing more easily once the head did reach there surely if youre fighting your intuition, youll be more tense and tissues less flexible ?
> Emily, > > I don't think you could get a post vag wall lac > prior to being fully because > the head ( which does the tearing) is not on the > pelvic floor before the Cx > is fully. > > Must be another explanation. > > BM > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Emily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au> > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 11:08 AM > Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] if mother wants to be > directed for pushing > > > >i have been wondering lately about the other side > of > > things. i was with a woman last week who was > feeling > > strong urges to push and was pushing involuntarily > at > > the peak of each contraction from about 4cm. she > only > > had two VEs - 4cm and 6cm. about half an hour > after > > the 6cm one everyone was still talking her > through > > breathing through the contractions and trying not > to > > push. she had been doing a lot of poo so i checked > her > > to clean her up again and there i see half a > little > > head sitting on her peri. the poor poor lady still > > trying not to push through that. > > i feel awful that she never got to go with her > urges. > > so what is the alternative? should women go with > what > > their body tells them to do if that means pushing > way > > before they're fully? she sustained quite a bad > > posterior vaginal wall tear as well - would this > be > > related at all to pushing before full dilation? > > > > love to hear your opinions because i really did > feel > > bad for this poor lady having to fight her urges. > she > > had so much faith in everyone.. > > > > ((anyway after all that she was very satisfied > with > > her birth, had 8 of her family including her > > grandfather with her and a lovely baby girl.)) > > love emily > > > > > > --- jo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Interesting....I work with our local homebirth > >> midwife as a doula and we had > >> a client a few weeks back who never had the urge > to > >> push, baby was finally > >> born about 51/2 hours after full dilation. The > urge > >> never came to her, she > >> actively pushed towards the end - not directed by > >> anyone...although not > >> naturally occurring pushes. > >> > >> Jo Hunter > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >> Behalf Of Päivi > >> Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2005 7:31 AM > >> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au > >> Subject: [ozmidwifery] if mother wants to be > >> directed for pushing > >> > >> Hi again, > >> > >> Like I told you earlier, I have just started a > >> childbirth education program. > >> > >> One of my students just gave birth and had a > quick > >> and straight forward > >> unmedicated 1st stage, but ended up pushing for > >> 1.45minutes. She said she > >> had no idea, what she had to do and told very > >> clearly to the midwife to > >> direct her for pushing. I had promised to be her > >> doula if she felt she > >> needed me, but since it all went so quickly, she > >> never called me. I was just > >> > >> wondering how I would have reacted to the > situation > >> if I was there, since > >> during the training we emphasized spontanious > >> pushing, waiting for the urge > >> to push and following your own feelings. I > noticed > >> there was discussion > >> about pushing here a week ago and I read the > >> wonderful artickle by Gloria > >> Lemay too. But what if the mom wants to be > directed? > >> Do you ever direct a > >> woman in 2nd stage and if so, how? > >> The bag of waters was broken in the end of > >> transition and water was green. > >> She was also given syntocin 40 minutes after she > >> started pushing, because > >> the contractions were getting less powerful... > She > >> said she never felt a > >> real urge to push. She was pushing on all-fours > and > >> on the low "birthing > >> stool". The baby was average size. Do you find, > that > >> not all women get the > >> powerful urge to push, or is it just a matter of > >> waiting enaugh? > >> In my own two births I never found the pushing > very > >> painful, but was not > >> given syntocin either. Does the syntocin make the > >> 2nd stage more painful? > >> Many questions again... would like to hear about > >> your experience. > >> > >> Paivi > >> Childbirth educator > >> > >> -- > >> This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > >> Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to > subscribe > >> or unsubscribe. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > >> Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to > subscribe > >> or unsubscribe. > >> > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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