Rachel,
Actually that was me (Brenda)not Sue, who wrote about the physiological
breeches, and I do realise now that experience is rare.
When you speak about choice & what you'd do if you had a breech baby
yourself you are really limited because there are not many of us in PP who
have experience with breeches.
I would definitely not alter plans to birth at home if my baby was breech
(but I have had 4 children) finding a MW to attend would be a difficult task
though!
There is no way on earth I'd consent to surgery to remove my healthy baby
just because he was upside down !
The next best option here would be to go to our local private hospital with
my own MW & the OB who supports us (he was the OB who had enough belief in
women 10 years ago to be present for their breech births but now is 'not
allowed' to do them because of the breech trial).
I would just insist, but then I can be very determined !!
BM
----- Original Message -----
From: "wump fish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re:
Sue, you are so lucky to have cared for women having a physiological
breech. I have only seen one vaginal breech - and it was far from
physiological (epidural, stirrups, fiddling about etc).
Unfortunately it doesn't matter what we teach women about saying 'no'.
When they are faced with an 'expert' obstetrician (often a male authority
figure) telling them their baby is in danger - they will chose to protect
their child because as a mother that is their instinct.
Women need to be making decisions such as c-section within a partnership
relationship with a known midwife. They should be given honest,
evidence-based info by someone who truely believes in the body's ability
to birth (ie. not a dr) and will support their decision whatever it is
(including c-section). Women would then be able to make choices which are
right for them as individuals - not right for the system.
As for breech birth. The Term-Breech Trial is often used by the obs as
evidence that breech birth is unsafe for the baby. However, this is not
what it shows. It can only tell us what happens in large hospitals with
obs management of breech birth. It does not compare physiological birth
with c-secion. Based on the findings - if I was planning a breech birth I
would have two options. A planned c-section in a good hospital. Or, a
homebirth with an experienced independent mw.
Rachel
From: "brendamanning" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 07:33:26 +1000
Sue,
I wish we could teach women that they can say NO to C/S.
No consent, no surgery.
What can we do to enable them to just have faith? I know it's the old
education, education, education but it's just so wrong !
Very distressing, makes me want to cry!
We used to have beautiful standing breech births 10 years ago in our
little hospital,not one with a problem, but no longer allowed as we
practice "safe" obstetrics now !!!!!
There are only 1 or 2 of us who remember & believe it can happen.
SO SAD!
BM
----- Original Message -----
From: Susan Cudlipp
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 10:38 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re:
Hi Melissa (only just worked out the surname :-))
Yes, happened today - how sad.
Also today we saw a multi 10 wks post partum with RPOC post emergency
C/S for breech at 36 weeks. This particular lady had vaginal breech with
no.1, I delivered no 2 (SVD), and then, as you say - came into labour on
'the wrong day' with no 3!
There have been several incidents of what would 5 years ago been
considered to be 'good' breech presentations in multis, being rushed off
to theatre in established labour, ( I remember one who was at least 7cms)
justified by that accursed so-called breech trial! Really sad how the
skills to deliver well positioned breech births are no longer taught or
used.
Did anyone else catch the 7 news last night? A small story on a 23 week
bub who had done very well, however they did state that she had been one
of twins, the other having died (or been terminated?? due to
complications - sorry, a bit vague on that bit, kids making noise at the
time)
BUT the bit I did catch was that she had had to have a C/S at 23 weeks
because the 'placenta was growing through a previous C/S scar'
I find it very interesting to read the recent VBAC recommendations and
guidelines given to women - states clearly that VBAC is in many cases
preferable to repeat C/S - so why are they so keen to do the C/S in the
first place????
Sue
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing"
Edmund Burke
----- Original Message -----
From: Melissa Singer
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 5:22 PM
Hi all,
I thought I'd share with you a ridiculous scenerio which happened at
my work today. A woman who was having her fourth baby, three previous
being vaginal births and one of which was a uncomplicated vaginal breech
birth was booked for her first ELUSC for breech at 38 weeks. Upon
looking through the notes the only options that were documented as being
offered to her were C/S or "risky ECV".
This baby was previously cephalic until 33/40, with only her last two
visits showing a non engaged breech presentation. I surely hope they
palpated her before performing the C/S today.
Whats even more ridiculous is that she had her previous babies at our
hospital under the same obstetricians as today. Our obstetricians are
very experienced and in the past routinely did vaginal breech births,
with a couple still doing them. This poor lady had simply gone to the
wrong clinic day and seen the wrong obstetrician for her!
Her other three babies were all born within the last five years!
Times are changing fast!
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