This is exactly the reason why I became involved in HypnoBirthing and now the Australian calmbirth program. We teach women to stand their ground and also their partners to take charge too, supporting their partner. If the partners are really taking charge they WILL intervene because now they know they can. Ask questions and threaten if they lay a hand on you when you HAVE said no you will take legal action. The hospital authorities play the game so play the game back. It's sad to do that but that is what we are now facing in todays society. The OB's are sneaky, they start to talk about risks to a baby's life and what parent to be wouldn't fold.

In the first class I tell the dad's that they are like the gorilla in the wild. A gorilla in the wild will run a perimeter around its mate giving birth because he knows they are so vulnerable and ANYTHING that comes within that perimeter will be killed ( no we don't tell them that includes midwives ha ha ha) It IS their baby too and they have rights as well.

BUT couples are still choosing to have their babies in hospitals with OB's and many smart ones are not ( I am having more and more in my classes having homebirths which is so wonderful), so the only thing you can do is to educate them about their rights and educate women about getting back in touch with their birthing instincts. It is still there, they have just forgotten. I have had MANY who stand up for those rights, no vag exams, waiting another hour, ignoring the purple pushing commands, delaying or cancelling inductions etc. Put them back in charge of their own birthing.

Sorry I am on my soapbox but I have had a gutful of all the inductions, caesarians and impatient interventions and what is worse women are handing over their bodies to people they think know more about their bodies than they do. I'm not stupid though, I know we can have special circumstances but gee they are a lot rarer than what is happening now.

Kelly, be careful about what you say in the de-brief. This HAS happened to this woman and it is far more important to listen to her and let her vent than giving her too much information. You don't want to create the hate for staff and Ob's because that's the road she chose, maybe she will choose differently next time because she DOES have choice. Give her more of an understanding of why some births happens the way they do and that can be simply explained and that maybe next time she will choose different options.

Unless you are a qualified therapist be very careful of not only what you say but how you handle it. She will be very raw and vulnerable and will take in everything you say. It would be far more beneficial to her to praise her for the good efforts she put in and build positive resources for her, otherwise you are leaving her with fearful memories of a bad birth experience instead of focusing on some positive aspects and this could affect any subsequent births. I have heard 60 year old women still trying to debrief their birth because they thought they had no resources.

Hope this helps and be strong tomorrow.
Birthing with calm
Diane Gardner
www.dianegardner.com.au



----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Birth & Sexual Assault


Okay, this woman I have been talking of is now ready to de-brief her birth,
I will be seeing her tomorrow and she wants to know why it went the way it
did (it has been troubling her). I can explain the complexities of a
posterior presentation, but I was wondering, into what detail would you go
into about the sexual assault and the blocking she experienced? She did not like the sensation of the baby coming down at all. Do I explain how this can
affect things, and that it might be an idea to do some healing / groups
which can help her work through her trauma to better prepare her next time?
Or is it inappropriate?

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey


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