Where can we vote or make some noise to push this forward?
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Scott Barnes <[email protected]>wrote: > heh i've had this email forwarded to me 3 times since you guys wrote > this, as a few people inside Microsoft know my internal struggle to get this > entire site deleted and redone (and are like "dude, you will just cry or > laugh"). It's actually 1000th cut for me and was one of the major > contributing reasons as to why I quit the Silverlight team was this site and > the constant amount of incompetence I witnessed at its creation. It's doing > us all absolutely no favors in both being informative and at the same time > helping the friction associated with installing Silverlight and i > highlighted this with analytics to back it to the teams. It's a known > problem is my point yet 4 months still, nothing. > > > > This (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mossyblog/4238051115/sizes/l/) is a > temporary redesign I did for the experience, but it was rejected due to > ego/politics getting in the way - my last manager and I just didn't see eye > to eye on the direction of what i had already established and was about to > establish in terms of digital marketing for Silverlight (twitter, websites > etc). > > > > There are really three modes of installation here for end users: > > > > · *Officially Supported - > *Your Operating System/Device and Browser meets the required conditions > for Silverlight. Please proceed. > > · *Un-Officially Supported - > *Your Operating System and/or Browser aren't officially supported but we > all kind of know it works (i.e. Chrome browser for example). > > · *Technically not supported - > *Your device/browser just can't handle Silverlight. You can download the > exe/dmg file direct if you like, but basically you're on your own (iPhone > etc). > > > > It's actually quite a simplistic amount of code and Tim Heuer, Scott > Hansleman and I worked on the code base I sent to the team before I left, so > it should be an easy fix and was ready for release (had some testing gates > to go through but they would of been a walk in the park). > > > > Anyway, i know ScottGu and few others have raised concerns over this page, > and this is probably the 9th instance of this situation flaring up but still > falling on deaf ears. I tried to get it changed when i was in the actual > team that owns the problem and couldn't get anything done so i think leading > up to SL4 most will have to wait until after MIX or around MIX before you > see any movement here at the very least. This thread could spur things > along, but doubtful. > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Miguel Madero > *Sent:* Friday, January 01, 2010 6:17 AM > > *To:* ozSilverlight > *Subject:* Re: Guidance for Moonlight compatibility > > > > I just tried opening a Silverlight 3.0 website on my Ubuntu machine. > Apparently I already have an old version of Moonlight 2.0. The experience is > embarassing to say the least. Wrong instructions, hideous looking website > and the worst of all, the uninstall experience is awful. > > This is a glance of what your linux customers will experience: > > > > The typical Install experience. This might be customizable for your own > site. > > > > > According to the text there's suppose to be a "Click to Install" button. > There's no button or link saying "Click to Install". There's something that > doesn't look like a link but it's the link that after some redirect's took > take me to "http://go-mono.com/moonlight/";. > > > > > This looks much nicer. Something like what I would expect. Although it's > really confusing that the Microsoft site doesn't mention moonlight, mono or > Novell, but we could probably live with that (or I mean, our users might > just decide to ignore that and install anyway assuming they're still on a > Microsoft site or they also trust that other party). > > After that page. There's another with a direct link to the plugin and the > installation takes 2 seconds, restarts the brower and restarts FF reopening > all of the pages that I'd open. However, I wasn't redirected to my site and > I had to manually navigate to the page I originally opened, this is > critical, this means you potentially lost your user unless he's really keen > on manually going back to the page he was looking. > > Once FF restarted, I navigated back to my site. I wasn't expecting it to > work, I know Moonlight is only compatible with SL2. I was expecting some > message saying that this application requires features not available on my > platform or something meaningful, but no, big surprise. FF crashes on all > the SL3 sites I've visited. This might be something specific to my > installation (I hope). The good news is that for the SL2 sites (hard to > found) seems to work just fine. > > > Probably I'm underestimating Linux users and they are used to worst > experiences, but, it's still not one that I'd choose for my users. I hope > Microsoft puts some effort on doing a decent landing page and that Novell > (or Microsoft) fixes the versioning issues. > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Miguel Madero <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I think that targets current Eclipse (mainly Java I think) developers that > want to do some Silverlight for their front-end, but that's not for > moonlight, that's for the .NET Silverlight Runtime. > > In this case I think of two options: > *Use monodevelop, which I read has specific support for Moonlight & > Silverlight > * Visual Studio, but I'm not sure if you would have to recompile the same > project using the mono compiler, but I'd expect that the same xap just works > in mono without changes assuming you target SL 2 assemblies only. > > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Ola Karlsson <[email protected]> > wrote: > > You might be able to use Eclipse 4 SL http://www.eclipse4sl.org/ > > From their site: > > > Version 1.0: October 28th , 2009 > > Features included in version 1.0 are: > > · Silverlight 2.0 support > Roadmap towards version 2: general availability planned for spring 2010 > > We plan to release intermediate beta or Community Technology Preview (CTP) > showing progress and seeking feedback on the following features: > > · Silverlight 3.0 support > > > > So it looks like you might be able to use that for SL 2 development.... > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Miguel Madero <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Also consider targetting SL2 :s > In the moonlight site <http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/> they mention you > can use the tools available (VS?) but they don't get into specifics. > > You can develop Silverlight/Moonlight applications using both the tools > available on Windows or in Linux and MacOS you can use the > MonoDevelop<http://monodevelop.com/>Integrated Development Environment. > > > > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:44 AM, John OBrien <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Timely to see Moonlight2 released overnight and promise of Moonlight 3 in > the latter half of next year: > http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/moonlight-2-is-now-available/ > > Its seems to imply Silverlight 2 compatibility only and yet SL3 features. > How do we target it? Current default Silverlight 3 experience seems to be > the linux user ends up confused. > There is some way to provide SL2 vs SL3 application on autodetect from > memory, sounds like some experimentation is needed. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barry > Beattie > Sent: Friday, 18 December 2009 10:07 AM > To: ozSilverlight > Subject: Re: Guidance for Moonlight compatibility > > I'm also interested in this. > > > What version details do > > we put on the plugin? Can we publish a Moonlight XAP and a Silverlight > XAP > > and autodetect? > > Ewww... makes it hard if you're trying to provide a consistant UX... > or fall back to a lowest common denominator. 21st century browser > wars. > > Moonlight support: 'cos MS isn't in control of this platform, there's > no guarentee that Moonlight will ever match functionality to > Silverlight, yes? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ozsilverlight mailing list > [email protected] > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > -- Miguel A. Madero Reyes www.miguelmadero.com (blog) [email protected]
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