Keep in mind that the research papers of the flok project can become part of a political movement of the commons in Equador. Even revolutionaries engage in movements that request from the government to pass some laws.
2014-07-06 2:23 GMT+03:00 Kevin Carson <[email protected] >: > I think this is a good general observation on the likely result of > most successor economy projects carried out in cooperation with state > agencies: the most important outcome will be the horizontal functional > connections (including with state personnel working within the belly > of the beat) that persist after the state itself decays. > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 10:54 PM, Michel Bauwens > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Here is a nice ecuadorian and in my view balanced evaluation of the flok, > > > > in order to avoid inflaming, I removed the name of the author and most of > > the persons cited > > > > Since I have been repeatedly threatened and intimidated in an attempt to > > avoid any independent political evaluation of the flok, I don't see any > > point in continuing to be careful about some of its unfortunately > realities: > > > > from an ecuadorian person who participated in the flok process > > > > << > > > > It's sad but the failure of something like FLOK is just another part of > > life. Big picture, what mattered in Ecuador was introducing revolutionary > > ideas to the population, and I think the way your team decided to carry > out > > research did impact many key people and foment important connections > > in-country. What mattered for the P2P movement worldwide is learning from > > failures, and you're more in tune with how that is going to move forward. > > The case of Bernardo is very sad ... the case of Daniel V. somewhat > sadder. > > > > I do understand Ecuador much more than Bernardo or Daniel V. do, and I > can > > predict what FLOK is going to mean in the political landscape: the word > FLOK > > will eventually mean nothing. The papers it produced will mean nothing. > What > > will last will be the connections between people that it left behind. > This > > is why it saddens me that within the category of the people who met via > > FLOK, some of them don't see the value of the others, and the strength > that > > the organism that coalesced in Quito could have. I'm sorry that they're > > treating you the way they are. It's despicable. I think that people that > > know you will see through the vitriol and judge you for your actions > rather > > than the words of others. > > > > I don't think "FLOK" as it was imagined in Ecuador can be rescued. I > think > > if there's a power struggle over the idea or the papers produced at the > > summit, that will just sink it faster. My opinion (and keep in mind that > I > > don't know much about what happened at the summit) is that you would > benefit > > from even more distance between yourself and Daniel V's project, that you > > should continue to be open to the public and continue to process the > "whys" > > of your split and critique of the project, but move on without the label > > "FLOK" on what you do. There's a measure of pride and ownership in not > > wanting something that you loved, i.e. the idea of FLOK, to be completely > > taken over by people whose ideas you hate, but that's how open source > stuff > > works, I suppose :) I don't think the way Daniel V. and co. do things is > > going to conquer Ecuador. Actually, I'm positive that he will continue to > > fail. Ecuadorians are not fond of being ruled by centralized power, > > especially not from abroad. He's successful when he operates in the > shadows > > and when he uses Ecuadorians like Andres or Isabel as puppets to speak to > > the locals, and foreigners with more cache, like yourself, to speak to > the > > international community. On his own, operating in Ecuador, he's pretty > > harmless. And since he continually alienates people, I think he'll always > > end up alone. > > > > So, take heart, I suppose? " > > > > -- > > Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no > record > > of previous communication, proposals, etc .. > > > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - > http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > P2P Foundation - Mailing list > > http://www.p2pfoundation.net > > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation > > > > > > -- > Kevin Carson > Senior Fellow, Karl Hess Scholar in Social Theory > Center for a Stateless Society http://c4ss.org > > "You have no authority that we are bound to respect" -- John Perry Barlow > "We are legion. We never forgive. We never forget. 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