Fair enough….this is helpful
On Jul 27, 2014, at 6:22 AM, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Gordon, > > there has been no capitulation ; the decision is simply not to broadcast the > conflict further at this stage ; > > the evaluation is and has been publicly available on the wiki for all who > want to read it, via > http://p2pfoundation.net/FLOK_Society_Project#Evaluation_by_Michel_Bauwens I look at your blog everyday and i believe that it was not announced there. I did see it in a private note that you sent which which i thought also said it was cancelled due to the decision of the core group. I also recall that i have not seen any p2p blog posts in about 10 days. I recall james Burke said there were technical issues in amsterdam that he was working on? I would like to remain subscribed to the blog. But I am no longer receiving anything from the p2p blog. I hope this will change I will read and report according on the material that you have pointed me too > > > I will communicate you the names of the people in that meeting privately, as > they have been subjected to a hate campaign (associated with attempts at > bribery) themselves and now is not the time to have a red cloth > in front of a bull .. > appreciate your willingness to do this I would prefer not to ask but something that is not clear are you referring to the ecuadoran p2p team? or to key p2p people in europe? Or both? > They have not threatened me into silence but have rendered the work and life > of many of our associates unnecessarily difficult and they all feel > furthering the conflict is worth this derailment of their work ; I just > respect that decision, that's all > > Have you ever thought that by giving so much negative energy to a small group > you may in fact be feeding them ? they don't seem to need to be fed > > They have been outed and the information is available in different sources > for those who want it, yes and i am doing my part to make sure that as much information as possible is out there on "the net" > > There is much work to do, positive work, in which we are engaged in every > day, conflicts are sometimes unavoidable but we have said our piece on it > > Michel > > <,Yes I know michel you have said that?. note the words negative?. positive > reaction to the way you were treated are just fine > > you say there has been > > 'collective decision by the core members of the p2p foundation asking you to > refrain > > OK who are they please? You will disclose surely > > > However, our position is available on the wiki for those who search and > > ask, we are just not spreading it actively. > > I am asking for it. It is generally regarded that something like this might > well should be announced? if it was i did not see it al though I have a seen > a draft of a assessment scheduled for publication on july 17 that never came > out and another scheduled for the 19th that was withdrawn as a result of > threats made against you. That i believe is the meeting you are referring to > > > My associates estimated that anyone who needs to know, is already aware of > > the logic of the flok mgt team. > > who needs to know?. well michel please who does need to know. Have the > flokista spaNIARDS DIVIVided the p2p movement in two? Into those who need to > know and those who don't. That is something you'd expect to hear from the > pentagon not from p2p > > > > I regret that Gordon is focusing on me as a person in this whole affair > > no I am focusing on you as the leader and founder of p2p who has pledged to > the community he founded that after taking ill considered actions and getting > himself in one hell of a mess has now back downed > > > > Why an open letter to the person who challenged the abuse, and not to those > > that conducted the abuse. It seems to me Gordon is focusing on the wrong > > person(s). > > those who conducted the abuse have show they are not capable of rational > trustworthy action. > > It is YOU michel who need to act with utmost integrity at this point and not > let these "bolsheviks" threaten you into silence. > > You promised a detailed evaluation and the hyenas started to bray at your > heels > > My complaint with you at this point is that you apparently won't defend > yourself any further and you try to cloak your decision behind the shadow of > a collective request of the "core p2p group" and sorry i don't know what > such a group is. > > This collective request will likely turn out to be the most important action > ever undertaken in the entire history of the organization that you have > dedicated your life to building. Surely you will be more transparent about > who the member are and the nature of the request?apparently it was thought > knot capitulating would stand in the way of other more important p2p work. > Hope that is not the first step down the slippery slope of the end justifying > the means. > > You need to publish the evaluation because you announced it, as a matter of > selfdefense, while under heavy attack, and claiming at the time that you > would not be intimidated. Not only that, but after the mess, everybody is > waiting for closure. If you don't provide close and you are not doing so > then the rumor mills will be in full control. Not only of flok but also of > your reputation. > > If you don't take that final step, the psychopaths will stand straight in > their shoes and feel their power, and keep bullying everybody until someone > else will confront them at some point in the future, take the heat, and > eventually shut their big mouths, or capitulate as you area now very > conveniently try to do - it was not my decision it was that of the core group > enter another loop. Abandoning now will give them the impression that "they > won". Abandoning your solemn word will also raise the question of whether > people should trust you in the future. > > On the contrary, if you comply with your word, you will have closure for > yourself, and for everybody else. Other people can then make their own minds > about what happened, and you can safely disconnect from the conversation, as > you will have said everything you needed to say. But for the opponents, > things will become a tad harder to play with: they will be caught red-handed, > with their own image and only their own reflection to fight against. At this > point, they'd better just shut up and move on, for they stand on moving > sands, and third parties will have the whole history to judge anything they > would say. > > I am sick and tired of ecuador?. but I now have a portion of the history and > i shall put it out in the open. let the florists come rabidly after me as > you pointed out I am now getting to be an old man and i care about my own > legacy than their threats. I stand on my record. > > You got into one god awful mess michel. Stand up in public and speak the > truth. I am continuing to get new reports from ecuador. They aren't pretty > and raise a lot of suspicions. Only you know exactly what Daniel promised > you. bernardo may be threatening to destroy you if you don't shut up, but > for gods sake please do not capitulate. Even if the truth is not pretty. > Please tell it. > > What i am drafting is for YOU because i am working under the assumption that > you can still be communicates with. Your Opponents have way over played > their hand. We are hearing now that the presidents office didn't know about > the folk project until the weekend before the summit. With 26 signature > required to pay the bills that assumption seems rather absurd. There rate to > many people with first hand knowledge to paste together something that safely > buries this>> > > -- > Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record > of previous communication, proposals, etc .. > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > _______________________________________________ > P2P Foundation - Mailing list > http://www.p2pfoundation.net > https://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation
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