great Orsan,we'll talk soon about cooperation around commons politics I hope,
Michel On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Orsan Senalp <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree with both you Brian and Michel about the historic chance rising. > At the same time, the developments like Gaza and Ukraine are closely linked > to tightening fronts between Brics on the one hand and the Old West on the > other, and this negative developments (crisis) is dialectically tied to > positive things (opportunist): as productive networks and lessons learned > coming together creating accelerating synergy. Grassroots projects, > activists, hackers, workers, farmers, interlocking nodes,.. Of course not > smooth and easy at all, painful repeat of past mistakes, personality > faults, communication problems, infiltration and sabotages.. But if there > is a sincere open p2p dialogue, self reflection and open learning we can > create something impressive and unexpected. > > I think the growing exchange on the new semi-periphery is quite > interesting especially reading together with David Harvey's New > Imperialism, Kees van der Pijl's Global Rivalries, William Robinson-Jerry > Harris' global capitalism > Arguments and William Carroll's book 'the making of the transnational > capitalist class'. To know the enemy better and see its weakness and > strengths, but also it help us to evaluate our selves and our alliances. > > The CiC text and collaboration is intriguing Michel, really liked it. I > just realized that towards the labour world, or unions transformation I > have also been developing a similar quantum strategy: while supporting > change agents in established unions with as positive as possible input, I > thought the real push needs to come from outside the unions; as it happened > before, success of IWW was the external push on craft unions to renew them > selves. > So what I see great in your and p2p f's approach and strategy is not one > dimensional, so not statist (based only on the partner state) but praxis > outside and beyond the state as well. > > In this context, we have some further steps taken in the design of Sayus > project: fusing GNUnion in one project concept, working semi-intensely on > we page: saysus.net > And registered the project to CIC's amazing CoopFunding initiative: > http://www.coopfunding.net/en/ > > Best, Orsan > > > Sent from my iPhone > On 03 Aug 2014, at 10:53, Michel Bauwens <[email protected]> wrote: > > agreed Brian, > > a imperfect analysis that I wrote a few years ago and that jibes with the > K-wave timing, http://p2pfoundation.net/Russia_and_the_Next_Long_Wave > > my opinion is that the midwave crisis point (to be compared to 1973-74 in > the last one) of the next k-wave, is when the huge opportunity will arise, > and in the meantime we have to maximalize the conditions (even if it > weren't to happen and we have to survive in something much worse than > capitalism) > > here is the as yet unpublished text of our strategic agreement with the > Catalan Integral Cooperative, after a previous accord with the post-growth > alliance, we welcome other players to join these huge but necessary efforts: > > Towards a first stateless commons transition plan: a partnership of P2P-F > with the Catalan Integral Cooperative > <http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/towards-a-first-stateless-commons-transition-plan-a-partnership-of-p2p-f-with-the-catalan-integral-cooperative/2014/08/06> > [image: photo of Michel Bauwens] > > Michel Bauwens > 6th August 2014 > > > *The General Assembly of the Catalan Integral Cooperative has confirmed a > proposed partnership with the P2P Foundation.* > > This is an important development for several reasons. > > First, the Catalan Integral Cooperative is the first new type of > cooperative that is entirely in line with the idea for a new type of coops > engaged in the co-production of the commons, and, after themselves already > embodying these ideas before we formulated them in our recent appeal > <http://p2pfoundation.net/Why_We_Need_a_New_Kind_of_Open_Cooperativism_for_the_P2P_Age>, > they are committed to continue and pioneer the path of open cooperativism. > > Second, the CIC fully endorses the Commons Transition Plan > <http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan> that was formulated in > connection with the floksociety.org project in Ecuador. The FLOK > experience was important in that it was a historical first for such ideas > to be endorsed at a nation-state level, but also because that cooperation > with a government brings its own type of challenges > <http://p2pfoundation.net/FLOK_Society_Project#Evaluation_by_Michel_Bauwens>. > How to transition towards partner state practices with a state that is not > a partner state itself ? > > The experience in Catalonia promises to be very different. While the CIC > endorses the Commons Transition Plan as its own development plan and > roadmap, of course to be adapted and concretized to their own needs, it > wants to apply the proposals for the commonification of public services and > the partner state, not at the state level, but at the civic level. So the > aim here is to directly create civic institutions which can, within or > outside of the CIC, carry out the same support functions and enable the > further expansion of the commons economy, in particular to stimulate > p2p-based production and manufacturing, which the CIC itself is already > pioneering. If successful, we may well have a adaptable/changeable but also > largely replicable model that could be used in other regions of the world > as well, because it will have been the experience where different pieces of > successful DNA have come together in a working model. > > Here is the announcement of the CIC, translated from Catalan and Spanish: > > “*CIC and P2pfoundation strategic partners* > > It’s been a while now since some people in the CIC took the initiative to > start collaborating with the P2P Foundation after certifying our common > goals. Indeed, the Permanent Assembly of July 27 approved supporting this > line of strategic partnership between CIC and P2P Foundation. > > In fact, the P2P Foundation itself (a foundation for the peer-to-peer > alternatives), has already expressed the need to partner strategically. You > can find more information about the purpose of the P2P Foundation on its > website <http://p2pfoundation.net/>. > > Amongst it’s priorities, the P2P Foundation includes the promotion of open > cooperativism, as explained in this article. In this sense the CIC appears > as one of the ongoing initiatives with most affinity to these principles of > open cooperativism, and for both organizations it seems important to keep > on developing it and make it known. > > Another priority of the P2P Foundation, and one of the areas where they > have developed more research, is to generate transitions towards open > production processes related to knowledge and towards a social, common > goods economy. In this sense, they have been collaborating with Flok > Society, a project financed by the government of Ecuador, for which the > following document was composed > <http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan>. > > From the core work group of the CIC in this area we have suggested that > they collaborate with us to tailor a plan of this type for the development > of CIC in the following 5-10 years. The objective is not as a theoretical > approximation, but to contribute towards identifying and developing key > strategic projects that might enable the production of tangible and > intangible commons to become one of the reference characteristics of the > CIC’s approach to production. > > The P2P Foundation has responded enthusiastically to the proposal, amongst > other reasons because they will bring their experience and knowledge to a > grassroots initiative like ours. We are already beginning to form a joint > working group so as to get started with our work. Michel Bauwens, the P2P > foundation’s co-founder, expressed his intention to find funding for this > project through several independent european foundations. > > In addition to these initiatives, as strategic partners, new ways for > collaboration will most certainly appear in the future.” > > > On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Brian Holmes <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> On 08/02/2014 01:29 PM, Michel Bauwens wrote: >> >>> I have one question, you say Minqi Li says there is no longer a reserve >>> periphery .. but what about Africa ? (and the rise of latin america in >>> the naugthies ?) >>> http://p2pfoundation.net/Rise_of_China_and_the_Demise_of_ >>> the_Capitalist_World-Economy >>> >> >> Minqi Li's claim is that too many formerly peripheral countries -- >> especially the giants, India and China -- have moved into the position of >> what the world systems theorists call "semi-peripheral" countries, >> supplying mid-range or partially elaborated products to the central, >> high-technology producers. The result is a declining pool of people to >> exploit, both in terms of labor and resources, and in terms of defenseless >> markets that must necessarily buy products from the center. When large >> percentages of the world population have access to at least mid-level >> producer technology, capital can no longer accumulate at the former >> centers, whose power declines. The current state of affairs in Western >> Europe and the US/Canada seems to bear this thesis out. >> >> In such a perspective, Michel, your ideas and those of everyone working >> on p2p and commons approaches become far more pertinent. When the centers >> of capital accumulation can off the fruits of very high technology to all >> of those, across the world, who rise into the middle classes, then there is >> scant likelihood of winning them over to a cooperative approach -- the >> powers of capitalist seduction are just too strong. Yet in a condition of >> long-term stagnation, coupled with environmental threats stemming directly >> and visibly from capital accumulation, alternative proposals may become >> much more attractive across a flattening global hierarchy. >> >> Of course I agree with Orsan that everything possible must always be >> tried right now. But it is encouraging to realize that over the middle >> term, there are some dynamics going our way. It is tough to sustain the >> fascist-type solution for very long. Too many people have too much agency, >> even under severe conditions. If it is true that capitalism can no longer >> produce employment of even the precarious kind that prevailed under the >> last cycle, then there is really room for something new under the sun, >> that's what I see as an historic chance. >> >> warmly, Brian >> > > > > -- > *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no > record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* > > P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net > > <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: > http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens > > #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/ > > _______________________________________________ > > NetworkedLabour mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour > > > _______________________________________________ > NetworkedLabour mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour > > -- *Please note an intrusion wiped out my inbox on February 8; I have no record of previous communication, proposals, etc ..* P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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