You are very right below Bob, some-times unnecessary worries, especially after
people work hard on things and do sacrifice a lot from their lives and loved
ones, and under a systemic down ward spiral drops of destructive
self-criticisms, turning into destructive criticism at those most close to us,
in communities, and these feed back loops mesh with those who bears really bad
motivations and the things we experience as collective defeat of the angry,
innocent, politically activated (or those practically decided to take
initiative of his-her own life) masses of the ruled.
As a self criticism, I mentioned before but again, to make it clear, my
criticism to Negri's interview to Roar, did include I think not necessary
worries, mostly fed with my temporarily increased worries (who knows may be
under the influence of another emotional manipulation experiments like that of
facebook involves). And probably that injected a negative impulse to the
exchange and the negative feedback loop is still traceable. While the positive
developments around us are intensified as the convergences.
Including syriza, podemos, faircoop, (from my side gnunion ideas interlocked
finally), value networks coops, commoners, interactions are intensifying and we
are moving towards actions like ECB, spaces like WSF in Tunis, COOP15 in
France, G20 in Istanbul, and finally we have emerging alternative narrative
being built simultaneously from bottom, middle, and top.. commons, p2p, .. so
on on top of a concrete ideas and practices can be the core of working
associated mode of production, and corresponding superstructures.. dots are
connected and we have something finally visible to appeal larger amount of
people, easy to access, and would allow them to make living..
Anyway, like the Kondortief one, and other sort of cycles, these ups and downs
are complex but possible to tackle with like you practice. I think Michel is
too, and Anna as well are very good in tempering the tension in a way allowing
smother flow of conversations, like providing kind of fing sui climate for
exchange on the lists ..
- any way just thought it can be good to say this out and apologies again for
the initial negative input in the tone. Let's take this in to account and don't
let it block productive, inspiring, and positive developments taking place and
disturbing the growing darkness for larger segments of the species.
best,
orsan
> On 3 feb. 2015, at 17:01, Bob Haugen <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I am in total agreement for the requirement for internal ideological
> transformation of the participants in movements that want to transform
> society. I wouldn't say "change yourself first", but "change yourself
> in the process".
>
> In the old days, this was called consciousness-raising, or criticism
> and self-criticism. Done in core groups. Carefully. (Lots of people
> hated it because a lot of the internal criticism came from selfish
> motives, so unprincipled criticism also needs to be criticized. This
> stuff is hard.)
>
> Lots of people come into oppositional movements with desires for
> personal aggrandizement that were unsatisfied in the dominant system.
> Or, as we used to say, the assholes always win if we don't do
> something about them.
>
> Consciousness raising in the civil rights and women's movements was
> very effective. We have all been changed by it.
>
>
>> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 6:25 AM, June Gorman <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> So well said, Anna and the critical, consistently missed point. This is
>> either what is consciously and thus far more easily done, or unconsciously
>> resisted and replayed with the same destructive underlying constructs that
>> defeated it the first time and every other time we were told to "wait" until
>> things were stable, to do this kind of inclusive consciousness,
>> deep-real-change work "then".
>>
>> So in February 2015, we all celebrate a supposedly true and viable
>> long-hoped-for, essential political-economic change from a leftist/Commons
>> perspective (and that's what I truly am hoping it is, too), but there is not
>> one single woman, not one, in Syriza's new cabinet. 100% male leadership!
>>
>> "but changing the general culture of society and social movements is a long
>> and arduous road, taking generations ..."
>>
>> That's not just glacial movement, Michel it's backwards. And even more, a
>> bright red flag about underlying potentially damning constructs that not
>> only alienate so many of us, but worry us because we already know these
>> often are the poisonous seeds of the later failures to achieve any of these
>> ambitious dreams, as they have been so many times before.
>>
>> E.F. Schumacher was absolutely right -- it takes "whole" systems change not
>> partial "bits and pieces change" that ultimately, change little. And
>> understanding what that means, preparing others to understand how important
>> these issues are to that "whole", actually makes those changes easier, not
>> harder. Because including all in the "Commons" when trying to transition to
>> any such reality, only makes "commons sense".
>>
>> Not one woman. That's a hard one to explain...
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>> To: P2P Foundation mailing list <[email protected]>;
>> "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2015 7:56 AM
>> Subject: [P2P-F] Fwd: [Networkedlabour] Another Politics - After Syriza
>>
>> Thanks for this response. What I sense is that it's OK to pursue this topic
>> as long as it is kept separate from the efforts focussed on political and
>> theoretical change. Yet my point is that this is absolutely intrinsic to
>> what p2p is about, the inner and outer aspects of the same thing. Nothing
>> needs to be added, just allowing what is already there to be revealed, and
>> not putting energy into resisting it.
>>
>> Focussing on external achievements, as in the example of Podemos you gave,
>> can lead to frustration and despair. Unless these feelings are addressed
>> they can sabotage movement solidarity. Likewise the joy and excitement of
>> sharing and collaboration are an integral part of our evolving humanity.
>>
>> “Without developing the inner culture of the human being, we cannot develop
>> a sustainable future.” E F Schumacher
>>
>> The inspiring review of Chris Dixon's book by Garces points to the same need
>> to include a more wholistic consciousness in our relationships. Otto Scharma
>> makes the same point. 'We might say it this way: The success of our actions
>> as change-makers does not depend on what we do or how we do it, but on the
>> inner place from which we operate.'
>>
>> Anna
>>
>> On 2 Feb 2015, at 17:46, P2P Foundation mailing list
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> from my own engagement with integral theory and clare graves work on the
>> evolution of consciousness, I think it is totally illusory to expect a
>> general shift of consciousness to collective wisdom ..
>>
>> people who feel ready to do so, should do it with those willing to follow
>> them; but changing the general culture of society and social movements is a
>> long and arduous road, taking generations ...
>>
>> you have to start above all with what is, warts and all ... see how the
>> democratic structure of podemos has already changed, even before and power
>> shift, towards a shift conducive to the leadership ... you can wish
>> otherwise, but the shift was endorsed by 80 perent or more of the membership
>> ... this is what you have to work with, making progress wherever you can ...
>> and compared to the barbarians in power now, it is already a substantial
>> shift,
>>
>> Michel
>>
>>
>> <<Subject:
>> To: Orsan <[email protected]>
>> Cc: P2P Foundation mailing list <[email protected]>,
>> Bob Haugen <[email protected]>,
>> "[email protected]"
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>> Otto Scharma's book 'Leading from the Emerging Future' is available for free
>> download. Here is the Intro which is well worth reading. In my opinion,
>> while this approach is not complete in itself, it would make an enriching
>> addition towards the collaborative commons.
>>
>> http://www.ottoscharmer.com/sites/default/files/e2e_ulab.pdf
>> --
>> Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at:
>> http://en.wiki.floksociety.org/w/Research_Plan
>>
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