Probably there is a short circuit here as Franz and Brian you may be rightly identified.. Yet how naive can a brain like Wiener? To miss where life is leading him, and his work, paid by state and army. Can a scientist be so precise and creative in systemic thinking and knows so much about its relation of developing control mechanisms, and then be so naive about where it is going... Does she or he have the luxury of being ir- or non-responsible?
Wiener, Bertalanffy, Hebb, Von Neumann, Boltzmann, Bohr, even Einstein ... This large network of East European scientists and philosophers, interestingly most of them having reformist-Jewish family back ground, and somehow influenced by the relativist and energetic ideas and work of Ernst Mach- most of them linked to or connected to -in Europe- Vienna circle and Mont Pellerin society and -in US- Chicago where Von Misses and Von Hayek (both are staunch followers of Carl Menger) built their hubs (later Chicago centered Austrian School of Economists - also known as 'Mach circle') and attracted state and corporate funders like Rockefeller, Ford, Rand. These hubs became central to the emergence of the Big Brother: networks of state and TNCs led cybernetics and complex systems management centers (known as operation research units) like Los Alamos, MIT labs, Silicon Valley, as Google's and NSA-Prism's birth places. May be in terms of Wiener's or Bertalanffy's specific personalities I have followed incorrectly connected dots and reached early/wrong opinions. Yet I believe that they were very well aware of what they have been doing, and what that was serving for. This is totally opposite to what Bogdanov have done and how he done that, he developed much more complete, compact and flawless theorization of complex systems and their internal, external and interconnected dynamic formation and changes, to steer the change bottom up. Not to steer thr steerers, from winter palace. The most important point is what SSCB missed with Bogdanov is caught and exploited by the West by resulting in most sophisticated and meta-algorithmic war and oppression machine, that is globalized capital and the transnationalised state, resting on transnationally networked control and informational management of organization of the people, things, ideas, behaviors, even nerves, and genes. Orsan > On 17 aug. 2015, at 16:52, Brian K Murphy <[email protected]> wrote: > > Have you actually read this book, Orsan? I have considered it ‘required > reading’ since I discovered it in the late sixties. It is a profound and > trenchant warning about the dehumanizing trajectory of technology in the 20th > century, and the inevitable enslavement of humans in the service of the > machine... > > > On 16 Aug 2015, at 10:52 am, Orsan wrote: > Human as a mean of production, by ex-nazi 21. cc Malthus, Norbert Wiener, a > good friend of von Hayek. Wiener is guilty of plagrimism and assimilating > work of Alexander Bogdanov, and put it in service of the builders of the > panotpticon during the cold war: > s > "This is one of the fundamental documents of our time, a period characterized > by the concepts of 'information' and 'communications'. Norbert Wiener, a > child prodigy and a great mathematician, coined the term 'cybernetics' to > characterize a very general science of 'control and communication in the > animal and machine'. It brought together concepts from engineering, the study > of the nervous system and statistical mechanics (e.g. entropy). From these he > developed concepts that have become pervasive through science (especially > biology and computing a common parlance: 'in formation', 'message', > 'feedback' and 'control'. He wrote, 'the thought of every age is reflected in > its technique . . . If the seventeenth and early eighteenth centuries are > the age of clocks, and the later eighteenth and nineteenth centuries > constitute the age of steam engines, the present time is the age of > communication and control.' 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