I'm guessing gilbert murray should not be confused with the Robin M. that we know,
Michel On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Orsan <[email protected]> wrote: > Indeed, agree with Anna, it is extremely interesting analysis from Robin > Murray. I think interviewers were referred by Wark's piece on Inventing > Future book. The interview is a really enlightening one to me. > > On the one hand, because it was in Amsterdam networked labour gathering > Robin and Michel met, and there were others mentioned in the interview like > Hilary Wainwright, whose specific warning I always take as a guidance, > makes this input special. While reading the text I remembered something > Hilary used to talked, or warned about which was avoiding to replicate the > mistake of of 68 generation (or resistance to capitalism / rulers in > general) in helping capitalism reinvent itself. I took that warning very > serious and kept in mind. And while reading Robin's story, things get both > clear and fuzzy at the same time, in terms of this mistake. > > Below is again relevant event; the intro page of Platform Cooperativism > conference taking place in NY next week. While looking at the Platform > that is formed by the organizers, Scholz and Schinider which brings funders > like Ford and Rosa Luxemburg, with unions like IG metal and Free Lancers > Union, as well as participants like head of Microsoft research unit and > CEO of free lancers Union co. Horowicth on the one hand and those like > Stallman, Barbrook, Bauwens, Wark, Kleiner, Mayo, so on on the other.. My > confusion accelerated - in relation to Hilary's warning. Can't help asking > myself aren't, we, or this setting is helping out to capitalism to reinvent > itself towards post-post-fordism. Even though the hope, or politics behind > is that we culturally could make a good influence on the enemy, may be > transform their thinking? > > Hence whilst I see Wark's criticism about this point and share his > worries, what appears interesting is that he is on of the most enthusiasts > attendant -as Trebor he is being part of the New School cadre hosting the > event. Moreover, thinking of the recent piece shared by Fabian, by Tiziana; > whose Social Strike piece were at the from page of the last years' Digital > Labour event, my confusion increased since these are most radical critics > of enemy we face here! Same goes for the '..to our friends' comrades, who > sits at board of 'Invisible Committee', to whom Wark refers critically > again in his review of Inventing Future (see his: > http://www.publicseminar.org/2015/06/no-futurism/) and the links they > have to the Powerful, the %1 percent. As occupiers of Occupy Wall St. > online accounts (Micah White took over the twitter account and Justin > Tunney (trans gender anarchist tool over the OWS blog admin letter is hired > by Google as 'software developer' and white founded his boutique > revolution kickstart). Why all makes things become so fuzzy? > Especially when realizing all these comrades and friends, somehow follow > one or another version of Foucault-Deleuze-Laclau-Negri sort of radicalism, > as those who are being linked to undertakings like transnational social > strike.. One would normally can't stop thinking what all these mean? > > What it makes me feel though, assertively speaking, that roundabout power > politics never help in avoiding the mistake Hilary was remixing. > Especially for those being squeezed and oppressed all the time. However > such politics has been extremely helpful to those swimming in wealth and > patent rights, those emerging as new victors out of the intra-class > struggle marking the current crises as, Wark was rightly indicating. So > that complex restructure of global oppression system not only survive but > evolve in something worse each time. > > I wonder, therefore, why can't we talk and act assertively, openly, and > ethically correct way instead amongst the forces of resistance, and towards > forces and beneficiaries of oppression? What makes it immensely difficult? > While everybody knows that there is or will be any tool or form; be it > 'platform', portal, coop, p2p, network, tech, automation, nor basic income, > serving for emancipation if we do not transform our selves and our beings. > > Robin's story of the past, tells me that we are again providing enormous > amount of smart and useful analysis to stupid, narsist, psychopathological > ruling cadre that possess all the means to control and oppress. The below > event is not my main point of target here. And I do not accuse anyone for > choosing specific politics or strategy. > > But what is crystal clear is that the entire network and relationships, > built between actors belong to resistances in nature and those from rulers > including Harvard, MIT, Mellon, to publishers (like Semiotext working with > MIT -invisible committee books distributed by), from expensive projects > funded by EU and EC, Ford, Rockefellar, Google, Microsoft, so on as well as > political alliances built under guidance of the Club of Rome, Club of > Budapest, Month Pelerin Society, World Economic Forum, ect. ect.. There is > a certain and definite repetition of the mistake Hilary Wainwright used to > warn about. > > It is not my intention to judge or hurt others feelings, but at this > moment I do look and hope for rising up of the naive, good, and independent > working people for themselves, forming their own p2p relationships, > platforms, events, institutions and alliances, that would never receive any > project money in return of sensitive strategic tacit knowledge. Who are > trusting themselves and each other in growing hope; instead of investing > hope and giving their destiny to wrong hands, or offering in exchange > feeing need of income. > Who grasps that there are really, socially, genetically and culturally bed > people out there mostly at the most top, who can not help (because of > individual and structural reasons) to reverse and exploit our inventions, > findings, and our tacit knowledge, for their horrible, selfish, childish > and irresponsible interests. > > O. > ......Platform Cooperativism Introduction. http://platformcoop.net > > The seeds are being planted for a new kind of online economy. For all the > wonders the Internet brings us, it is dominated by an economics of > monopoly, extraction, and surveillance. Ordinary users retain little > control over their personal data, and the digital workplace is creeping > into every corner of workers’ lives. Online platforms often exploit and > exacerbate existing inequalities in society, even while promising to be the > great equalizers. Could the Internet be owned and governed differently? > What if Uber drivers could set up their own platform, or if cities could > control their own version of Airbnb? Can Silicon Alley do things more > democratically than Silicon Valley? What are the prospects for platform > cooperativism? > > On November 13 and 14, the New School in New York City will host a > coming-out party for the cooperative Internet, built of platforms owned and > governed by the people who rely on them. The program will include > discussion sessions, screenings, monologues, legal hacks, workshops, and > dialogues, as well as a showcase of projects, both conceptual and actual, > under the purview of celebrity judges. We’ll learn from coders and worker > cooperatives, scholars and designers. Together, we’ll put their lessons to > work as we work toward usable apps and structural economic change. This is > your chance to get on the ground floor of the next Internet, and to help > make it a reality. > > Platform Cooperativism is convened by Trebor Scholz > <http://twitter.com/trebors>(The New School) and Nathan Schneider > <http://therowboat.com/> (University of Colorado Boulder). > > Further reading: > > - Trebor Scholz, “Platform Cooperativism vs. the Sharing Economy > <http://tinyurl.com/oj8rna2>” (December 5, 2014) and ”Think Outside > the Boss > <http://www.publicseminar.org/2015/04/think-outside-the-boss/#.VUoVZEuhIds> > ,” *Public Seminar (April 5, 2015)* > - Nathan Schneider, “Owning Is the New Sharing > <http://www.shareable.net/blog/owning-is-the-new-sharing>,” *Shareable* > (December > 21, 2014) > - Janelle Orsi, Frank Pasquale, Nathan Schneider, Pia Mancini, Trebor > Scholz, “5 Ways to Take Back Tech > <http://www.thenation.com/article/5-ways-take-back-tech/>,” *The > Nation* (May 27, 2015) > - Nathan Schneider, “Owning What We Share > > <http://www.psmag.com/business-economics/the-future-of-work-owning-what-we-share> > ,” *Pacific Standard *(September 1, 2015) > > Sponsors & Partners > > Platform Cooperativism is sponsored by Eugene Lang College The New School > for Liberal Arts, The Ford Foundation, The Freelancers Union, The New > School University Student Senate, The Workers Lab, IG Metal, Institute for > the Future, Demand Progress, Internet and Society, The Robert L. > Heilbronner Center for Capitalism Studies, the University of Colorado > Boulder, Democracy at Work Institute, The Digital Humanities Minor at The > New School, The Lang Student Senate, and The Rosa Luxemburg Foundation NYC. > > The event is presented in partnership with Carnegie Mellon School of > Design, Civic Hall, Democracy Collaborative, Green Worker Cooperatives, The > Murphy Institute for Worker Education and Labor Studies at CUNY, the New > Economy Coalition, The Robin Hood Foundation, Shareable, The United States > Federation of Worker Cooperatives, Ver.di, The Working World, The Laura > Flanders Show, and The Yale Information Society Project. > > This is the fourth event in The New School’s series The Politics of > Digital Culture, which included The Internet as Playground & Factory > <http://digitallabor.org/2009> (2009) and Digital Labor > <http://digitallabor.org/> (2014), among other conferences. There will be > two additional summits in this series, following up on these themes, in > 2016. > > Twitter: @platformcoop #platformcoop > > > > On 7 nov. 2015, at 12:52, Anna Harris <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thank you for this Peter. Extremely interesting analysis of past and > future economic trends. In passing it answers Orsan's point about positive > and hope being in the 'non-automatable part of life and human'. > > 'They always looked to see if knowledge could be codified, yet knew that > you had to have tacit knowledge to apply and customise the codification. > That tacit knowledge might itself be codified. but that too needs further > tacit knowledge. and so on. It was a constant movement of codification plus > the tacit, never the eradication of the tacit. The moment you lose the > tacit, living labour, the codification atrophies.' (p13) > In other words the two functions are not opposed to each other, but are > complementary. The key is whether they are used to exploit by extracting > a profit, or to benefit society. > > Anna > > On 6 Nov 2015, at 14:03, Peter Waterman <[email protected]> > wrote: > > <nf8485_murray_gilbert_goffey.pdf> > > > > _______________________________________________ > NetworkedLabour mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour > > _______________________________________________ > NetworkedLabour mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour > > > _______________________________________________ > NetworkedLabour mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.contrast.org/mailman/listinfo/networkedlabour > > -- Check out the Commons Transition Plan here at: http://commonstransition.org P2P Foundation: http://p2pfoundation.net - http://blog.p2pfoundation.net <http://lists.ourproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/p2p-foundation>Updates: http://twitter.com/mbauwens; http://www.facebook.com/mbauwens #82 on the (En)Rich list: http://enrichlist.org/the-complete-list/
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