QTrax (http://www.qtrax.com/)...they're bullshit...I went to there website to find out about them; considering they're competitors.
So why are they bullshit you say...well, go to their website, click about and you'll read the following:
So why are they bullshit you say...well, go to their website, click about and you'll read the following:
"Qtrax and its components are developed by LTDnetwork Inc...Founded in October 2000, LTDnetwork inc,
a US based company has spent the last three years creating unique proprietary software
at its Australian subsidiary in Melbourne."
a US based company has spent the last three years creating unique proprietary software
at its Australian subsidiary in Melbourne."
the thing is...they're still not up...not even beta. I built Tamago in two years, and it's up, live,
and I'm making it better everyday...and getting new customers everyday.
and I'm making it better everyday...and getting new customers everyday.
If you dig deeper, you really find out they're probably just loosing more and more money...
like retards; click press releases...find the first one
like retards; click press releases...find the first one
"18 May 2004 QTRAX and BMI Announce Licensing Agreement"
so they
started licensing music over two years ago...see the 2004 date. I worked at Sony Music, the big
guys will license anything to you if you pay enough...so they've been paying for licenses for two years;
do not have a product, and a website with three buttons and some jpegs.
guys will license anything to you if you pay enough...so they've been paying for licenses for two years;
do not have a product, and a website with three buttons and some jpegs.
not good.
I also know this space, and know of another company, skyrider.com which does this already; except
they do it with existing networks, an existing market. think drm'd files.
they do it with existing networks, an existing market. think drm'd files.
"spiralfrog" this isn't p2p, but will mostlikely be a website, you download a song, and then every so
often you go back and watch Ads to keep your license up to date. This will last so long, until
people get tired of 1. the novity and 2. having to continually go back and watch Ads...which
I suppose won't last long. They may also figure out ways to basically rip it off...One easy way to
do this, is to use a winamp plugin to write the file disk as it is being played; or recording
it from the sound driver...faking it. This is why Tamago doesn't DRM, and some of the things I learned
while working at Sony Music.
often you go back and watch Ads to keep your license up to date. This will last so long, until
people get tired of 1. the novity and 2. having to continually go back and watch Ads...which
I suppose won't last long. They may also figure out ways to basically rip it off...One easy way to
do this, is to use a winamp plugin to write the file disk as it is being played; or recording
it from the sound driver...faking it. This is why Tamago doesn't DRM, and some of the things I learned
while working at Sony Music.
a couple of things about music. 1) people like to own music, and 2) people don't like DRMs
not so much with video, and images are mostly good for using as stockphoto. Documents and
software are also things people like to own.
not so much with video, and images are mostly good for using as stockphoto. Documents and
software are also things people like to own.
>>they have so much power that it kills all the p2p sector<<
Yes and No, the p2p sector shouldn't be about stealing; but also, that is how a lot of start-ups,
like youTube, get noticed. They don't have that much power...The real problem is most people
only do what others tell them to do. Look at the show "Entertainment Tonight" its nothing
but a commercial for the entertainment industry; but 90% of people actually think its news.
Other than that, Tamago is a direct threat to the status quo. With Tamago, there is no need
for recording, movie studios...they know this...and it's not power, but money. In fact, their
market is dying. Even with digital sales going through the roof, their market is shrinking; mostly
b/c the type of entertainment they are turning out is just boring and not worth the money. But,
the real reason the record companies, RIAA, sued the shit out of Napster/Kazaa/etc. is that they
have major investments in CD-Factories. I know Sony Music had at least two large factories;
employing about 3000 people. The thing is...its not the "Entertainment" the Entertainment is
trying to protect, its their sales channels. Movie Studios indirectly own the theartes which show
the movies. You've been programmed, but didn't even know. This is why certain movies are
only shown in certain areas. Its just rich people protecting their investments. The way to
get around this, is to 1) either give them money (license content from them) or 2) give them a
piece of the pie. For example, several music companies had stock in youTube before it was sold.
That's why it wasn't sued out of existance.
Yes and No, the p2p sector shouldn't be about stealing; but also, that is how a lot of start-ups,
like youTube, get noticed. They don't have that much power...The real problem is most people
only do what others tell them to do. Look at the show "Entertainment Tonight" its nothing
but a commercial for the entertainment industry; but 90% of people actually think its news.
Other than that, Tamago is a direct threat to the status quo. With Tamago, there is no need
for recording, movie studios...they know this...and it's not power, but money. In fact, their
market is dying. Even with digital sales going through the roof, their market is shrinking; mostly
b/c the type of entertainment they are turning out is just boring and not worth the money. But,
the real reason the record companies, RIAA, sued the shit out of Napster/Kazaa/etc. is that they
have major investments in CD-Factories. I know Sony Music had at least two large factories;
employing about 3000 people. The thing is...its not the "Entertainment" the Entertainment is
trying to protect, its their sales channels. Movie Studios indirectly own the theartes which show
the movies. You've been programmed, but didn't even know. This is why certain movies are
only shown in certain areas. Its just rich people protecting their investments. The way to
get around this, is to 1) either give them money (license content from them) or 2) give them a
piece of the pie. For example, several music companies had stock in youTube before it was sold.
That's why it wasn't sued out of existance.
>>azureus' deal<<
Don't know anything about it; but I would suspect it's not a big deal...Tamago is the only p2p
company with it's business model. We also have Patents on the business model and technology
...meaning we'll sue. Nothing is fair in love and war.
Don't know anything about it; but I would suspect it's not a big deal...Tamago is the only p2p
company with it's business model. We also have Patents on the business model and technology
...meaning we'll sue. Nothing is fair in love and war.
>>internet in 15 yrs? Mine would be an ubiquitus social p2p network.<<
a ubiquitus social p2p network, well, i'm starting that now, adding it to Tamago. I have the basic
commerce engine down.
a ubiquitus social p2p network, well, i'm starting that now, adding it to Tamago. I have the basic
commerce engine down.
the way i'd like to see the internet in 15 years, ummm...well, hardware would be free; given to you,
and using Tamago, or some other network, buy things, and turn your device into a personal digital store.
The commerce would subsidize the hardware, much like the mobile phone market in the beginning.
probably tv, radio, etc, would either be merging, or have merged by then. Microsoft would not be the
dominant OS anymore, I'm thinking this b/c with Tamago (don't you hate all these blatent plugs) you
can embed it into the OS then give the OS away for free; anyone using the OS would then make some money
distributing media. Companies, especially startups, would immediately use them b/c their office
equipment would be earning you cash.
and using Tamago, or some other network, buy things, and turn your device into a personal digital store.
The commerce would subsidize the hardware, much like the mobile phone market in the beginning.
probably tv, radio, etc, would either be merging, or have merged by then. Microsoft would not be the
dominant OS anymore, I'm thinking this b/c with Tamago (don't you hate all these blatent plugs) you
can embed it into the OS then give the OS away for free; anyone using the OS would then make some money
distributing media. Companies, especially startups, would immediately use them b/c their office
equipment would be earning you cash.
I also think massively multi-player games, like World of Warcraft, will become huge. If I had
millions, I'd develop my own virtual world game...problem is, they're very labor intensive to
make and not a lot of developers can do that kind of programming...not many can do p2p.
millions, I'd develop my own virtual world game...problem is, they're very labor intensive to
make and not a lot of developers can do that kind of programming...not many can do p2p.
anyway...long email. nice questions.
Florent THIERY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 11/9/06, Lemon Obrien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:"edge-hackers"I hack the edge dude, the edge of the internet.new flash...November 9th, 2006, Today the internet experienced major disruptions as it was attacked by a rogue group of "edge hackers." Homeland Security considers these types of hackers to be part of a larger insurgent group who do things to piss people off."These dudes create these major peer to peer networks and totally disrupt the net," said Roger Hamilton, an internet web surfer who likes to remain stoned. "Its like totally harsh on my youTube. You know lonelygirl15 is the best."...blah blah blah...edge-hackers..."I was there when the group formed and came out of the shadows to fight tryanny."
The p2p network that shocked me the most was definetly freenet. Do you think it has a great or obscure future? The problem is, a lot of p2p networks that are coming are GIANT ones: SONY & Qtrax, Universal & spiralfrog. And tey are legal, and guaranteed (of course guaranteeing that the users keeps listening to the same gelee"). And they have so much power that it kills all the p2p sector, for now until one will rise up. Which one ? :)
By the way, do you have information about azureus' deal, about going commercial?
and, what's your vision of internet in 15 yrs? Mine would be an ubiquitus social p2p network. I'm sure some people here may have interesting point of views.
Regards
Florent
Susheel Daswani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:I don't think we should define p2p, as it is mainly used as a
political tool against us (i.e., "p2p enables piracy", "p2p developers
are inducers", etc.). The Internet by definition enables "peer to
peer" communication, whether that communication involves a centralized
server or not. The fact that the edges of the network have recently
been strutting their stuff in software applications is mainly a
consequence of how Internet connectivity was rolled out (dial-up, now
broadband with fast downstream but limited upstream). Perhaps we
should rename this list 'edge-hackers'? :)
Thanks!
Susheel
On 11/9/06, Ryan Barrett wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Florent THIERY wrote:
>
> > I'd say the biggest difference is that you don't host your mails. A
> > local-user-hosted mailserver network would be P2P, in the P2P user sense.
>
> technically, POP email would fit shirky's definition of P2P. the intermediate
> MTAs, including your POP server, only host the mail temporarily. of course,
> POP has declined in favor of IMAP and webmail, which don't fit his definition.
>
> having said that, his definition is probably more useful for social and
> political purposes than technical ones. jabber, napster, and ICQ (jabber, AIM,
> etc.) all use centralized servers, with occasional direct connections between
> peers. that's not the kind of P2P this list usually discusses.
>
> -Ryan
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