> -----Original Message-----
> From: IanG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: August 21, 2008 4:59 AM
> To: Alex Pankratov
> Cc: 'Eric Rescorla'; 'theory and practice of decentralized computer
> networks'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [p2p-hackers] IETF rejects Obfuscated TCP

[snip]

> Simplied, for explanation purposes of course.  The reason
> for the pattern of hello-response-ack is the fundamental
> laws of networking.  The reason for the repetition is the
> old OSI layer model.
> 
> For application programmers this is terribly frustrating at
> several levels. 

This pretty bold statement is largely incorrect based on my own 
experience. I'm not exactly sure who you are referring to as 
"p2p people", but the excessive round-trips are hardly viewed 
as "frustrating" by any of networking devs I know.

What you say about a-b-c-d vs. secured-d certainly makes sense,
but it's like choosing to code in C instead of Java, because 
resulting app is going to be smaller and faster. All things
considered (not just technical), in some cases it makes sense, 
in others - a vast majority - it's not.

Alex


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