On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 07:38:15AM -0500, Seth Johnson wrote:

> That patent in question is claimed by RedPhone Security
> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1026/).  RedPhone has given a
> license to anyone who implements the protocol, but they still threaten
> to sue anyone that uses it.

>From my understanding, this is simply not true. A license is not
required to implement the extension (passing SAML assertions or X.509
attribute certificates in the TLS handshake), because it quite simply
is not patented (at least by RedPhone - I'm sure someone somewhere has
a patent that applies to it, but one can say that about most or all
software) - only using these authorization extensions in conjunction
with legal contracts or treaties is covered by the patent.

So:
 - Implementations cannot infringe this patent, almost by definition.
   No patent license is required from anyone.
 - Users of the extension can infringe this patent.
 - However there are many uses of this extension which would not infringe.

-Jack
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