In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This is an interesting discussion and I agree with
> those who have stated that too few developers pay
> attention to good user interface design and user
> interface design compliance with the published
> standards.
> 
> I'd be curious to know how many people actually 
> downloaded and read that document. If you don't
> know what I am talking about, it's available from
> this page:
> 
> http://www.palmos.com/dev/support/docs/
> 
> (search for "Palm OS User Interface Guidelines").


Apparently not enough. I could point to numerous applications that have 
UI "defects". I'm not saying that my stuff is perfect, but I do my best 
to adhere to the guidelines. In a recent exchange I had with another 
developer, he wrote:

"I have a cordial dislike for guidelines, although I think internal
consistency is necessary."

With that kind of attitude, no wonder developers haven't read the 
guidelines, let alone attempt to adhere to them.

> To comment on some statements made:
> 
> Scott wrote:
> > What is PalmSource's stance on this "technique"? 
> > According to the UI guidelines, it would appear 
> > that this is not valid.
> 
> 156 * 156 (called "full-sized") is indeed valid
> according to the UI Guidelines.
> 


There's a difference; the poster that brought up "full-sized" dialogs 
was talking about 160x160. I use 156 x 156 all the time for preferences 
that need the room. The 160 x 160, I believe, is not valid according to 
the guidelines as you've pointed out. (The original part of the full 
sized dialogs was that there are dots in the corners when you use 160 x 
160 modal dialogs which you shouldn't do.)

BTW, I just went to PalmGear and took a look at some of the screen shots 
posted; of the 10 or so apps I looked at, ALL but 2 had UI issues on the 
one screen that was shown. It is too bad that users tolerate this junk.


-- 
Scott Gruby
Palm OS Certified Developer
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