Amen, this has been my exact experince with larger operations. A lot of good people with their hands tied is what I've seen over and over again.
-- Allen Deryke On Oct 2, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Ben Greenfield <[email protected]> wrote: > Having previously worked with a community along those lines, and left > for a smaller private company, I can say personally the bigger issue > for me was never salary, it was culture and inefficient bureaucracy. > > In my limited experience I found that many government agencies and the > business partners who work with them had their hands tied by what seem > to the people in the trenches to be arbitrary policies that don't > always seem correct. In my experience we were required to take orders > from multiple authorities, and often it was clear that they were not > communicating effectively with each other, and would frequently get in > pissing contests that left everyone beneath them at a disadvantage. > > On top of that, the list of software and hardware we were allowed to > use required doing a cross-comparison between numerous lists that take > aeon's to get approved onto. I can specifically recall situations > where I needed to apply a patch, but that the patch would have changed > the version number, and the new patched version number wasn't > approved. > > My .02 cents is that the .gov infrastructure badly needs intelligent > infosec people making smart decisions, but that if they can't do > something about the culture of inefficiency they won't be able to keep > the good employees motivated long enough to enact the changes they > need. > > I have positive things to say as well, but they aren't as > interesting... > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Jason Wood <[email protected]> wrote: >> I read about this yesterday at the Washington Post. DHS is saying >> that they >> want to hire the best experts they can find, but the .gov salary >> ranges have >> never been very enticing. I wonder how well it will really work out. >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 7:18 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/02/dhs.cybersecurity.jobs/index.html >>> >>> This ought to make this interesting. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pauldotcom mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom >>> Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com >> >> >> >> -- >> >> irc: Tadaka >> Twitter: Jason_Wood >> jwnetworkconsulting.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pauldotcom mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom >> Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com >> > _______________________________________________ > Pauldotcom mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom > Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com > _______________________________________________ Pauldotcom mailing list [email protected] http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com
