Agreed with the above statements. However, I have found if you are good enough you can move things in the right direction.
It just takes a high threshold for BS and the ability to call people out when they are slinging BS. In a politically correct fashion of course. john On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Allen Deryke <[email protected]>wrote: > Amen, this has been my exact experince with larger operations. A lot > of good people with their hands tied is what I've seen over and over > again. > > -- Allen Deryke > > On Oct 2, 2009, at 11:08 AM, Ben Greenfield <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Having previously worked with a community along those lines, and left > > for a smaller private company, I can say personally the bigger issue > > for me was never salary, it was culture and inefficient bureaucracy. > > > > In my limited experience I found that many government agencies and the > > business partners who work with them had their hands tied by what seem > > to the people in the trenches to be arbitrary policies that don't > > always seem correct. In my experience we were required to take orders > > from multiple authorities, and often it was clear that they were not > > communicating effectively with each other, and would frequently get in > > pissing contests that left everyone beneath them at a disadvantage. > > > > On top of that, the list of software and hardware we were allowed to > > use required doing a cross-comparison between numerous lists that take > > aeon's to get approved onto. I can specifically recall situations > > where I needed to apply a patch, but that the patch would have changed > > the version number, and the new patched version number wasn't > > approved. > > > > My .02 cents is that the .gov infrastructure badly needs intelligent > > infosec people making smart decisions, but that if they can't do > > something about the culture of inefficiency they won't be able to keep > > the good employees motivated long enough to enact the changes they > > need. > > > > I have positive things to say as well, but they aren't as > > interesting... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Jason Wood <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I read about this yesterday at the Washington Post. DHS is saying > >> that they > >> want to hire the best experts they can find, but the .gov salary > >> ranges have > >> never been very enticing. I wonder how well it will really work out. > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 7:18 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> > http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/02/dhs.cybersecurity.jobs/index.html > >>> > >>> This ought to make this interesting. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Pauldotcom mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom > >>> Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> irc: Tadaka > >> Twitter: Jason_Wood > >> jwnetworkconsulting.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Pauldotcom mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom > >> Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Pauldotcom mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom > > Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pauldotcom mailing list > [email protected] > http://mail.pauldotcom.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pauldotcom > Main Web Site: http://pauldotcom.com >
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