Thanks noble son for your response.
Can you please anyone explain to me to about Pan Africanism as ideology without dilute of Marxism-Leninism. Cause my understanding of classless society is in communism. You cannot become a nationalist and socialist at the same time. Africanist cause Lubabalo > ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- > Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [PAYCO] My heart yearns for PAC that is no more]] > From: [email protected] > Date: Thu, August 20, 2009 08:09 > To: > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Son of the soil, > > I think it is important for us as comrades to be frank with each other as > it is critical for all Pan Africanist to make time and take you step by > step on the following: > # African Nationalism > #Africanism > #Development of Pan Africanism > -In the Diaspora > -Afrika > -Southern Africa and Azania > #Formation of the ANC > #Formation of the ANCYL > #Adoption of the 1949 Programme of Action > #Defiance Campaign > #Africanist Movement > #Adoption of the Freedom Charter > #Formation of the the PAC > #Concept of Africanist Socialist democratic society > #Scientific Socialism > #African Socialism/Ujaama > #PAC VS SA Communist Party/Capitalist Party > #Ideas and views of Pan Africanist Founding Fathers > -African Nationalism > -Africanism > -African Socialism > -Scientific Socialism > -Communism > -Neo-colonialism > -race question > -Global relations > > Without understanding the above in context and critically there is no > possibility of understanding the ideological and policy differences > between PAC and ANC,worse there is no possibility of understanding Pan > Africanism and its relationship with socialism. The PAC did not exist on > the basis of hate for whites or indians,rest assured son of the soil that > PAC coined the whole concept of non-racialism. PAC founding fathers loved > Africa and its people too much that those who lacked such love interpreted > this to hate for other people. Sobukwe understood class struggle and used > it to interpret PAC attitude to certain classes in society,hence he > rejected the so called "Indian Merchant" class which was privilleged and > identified with the system as opposed to the poor working indians who were > being exploited and classified as sub-humans like the indigenous African > people. > > Let me assure you son of the soil that the Greatest Pan Aftricanist in > Africa and world over Osagyefo Kwame Nkrumah was a socialist and believed > in class struggle. Before challenging the whole concept of class struggle > it is critical to understand it from a Pan Africanist perspective. I > recommend Class Struggle in Africa by Osagyefo Kwame Nkrumah and The > Struggle Continues by Nkrumah as well. PAC members should learn to find > Pan Africanists positions even outside Sobukwe. Sobukwe himself use to > consider positions taken by Pan Africanists leaders elsewhere and adapt > them to azanian material conditions. > > I am going to make time and engage you and refer you to relevant books and > pages to understand Pan Africanism in context, then you will find answers > to your questions. Pan Africanism is the ideology that should live among > the illiterate and semi-literate,it is unfortunate that here in Azania it > is the privilege of the educated,we want to change that, hence we want a > new leadership that will speak and live with the masses day in day out. > > Yours for a classless society > > Kwame Ndebele > PAYCO Secretary General > > > > ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- > Subject: Re: [Fwd: [PAYCO] My heart yearns for PAC that is no more] From: > [email protected] Date: Thu, August 20, 2009 07:27 > To: [email protected] > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Greetings Ma Afrika > > Thanks M'Afrika Jack for the information that you have provided to the > forum. I'm still maintaining my stance in this, in Sobukwe interview i > found something of wanting to Africans to lead not to be led by > white/Indian communist. Now to me if that was a case then, ANC and SACP is > led by blacks. Is it that what he and others wanted? > > Secondly what is Pan Africanism ideology? Where it come from? How did it > come to existence? What is African about it? Every time we say our > ideology is Pan Africanism? Or is it that we are lying/ deceiving our > people? Is it about power struggle as we have seen in other parts of > Africa? > > Let me pause for now > Lubabalo Popo >> >> Cde Popo greetings, >> >> I am sorry that right now I don't have time to engage you on the issues > you have raised, but allow me to indicate to you that PAC is socialist > and it would remain as such for many decades to come. For argument > sake,even if PAC was not socialist,it had no choice but to be socialist > to be able to survive and to liberate the masses of our people from the > neo-colonial vices. Socialism is the future,make no mistake son of the > soil. If truth is to be told PAC cannot outdo ANC and its fly-by-night > millionares on the question of capitalism. Class struggle is the reality > that we cannot runaway from. >> >> >> I know this statement is unfair to you hence,I promise to address this > topic in detail next time I engage you. Keep well, I must rush.... >> >> Kwame Ndebele >> PAYCO SG >> >> >> >> ---------------------------- Original Message > ---------------------------- Subject: [PAYCO] My heart yearns for PAC > that is no more From: [email protected] >> Date: Thu, August 13, 2009 14:38 >> To: [email protected] >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> Greetings Sons and Daughter of the soil >> >> It's very sad to hear people claiming to be PAC member pushing class > struggle at the expense of National Liberator Building. Pan Africanist > Congress of Azania which was found in 1959 by Sobukwe and others is the > nationalist organisation not a socialist one nor communist one. We are > not apologetic to anyone about that. Class struggle is the communist > term not Africanist for sure. Africanism is the path to Pan Africanism, > and Socialism is the path to Communism. >> >> Allow me to borrow the words of Anton Muziwakhe Lembede " My heart yearn > for an Africa that is no more. But, I shall labour for a new, free, > independent and sovereign Africa that shall be respected by nations of > the world." >> >> I remain an Africanist >> Lubabalo Popo >> 078 604 6098 >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> South Africas premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ For > super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> South Africas premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ For > super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm >> >> >> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------- > South Africas premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za > ------------------------------------------------------------------ For > super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > South Africas premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za > ------------------------------------------------------------------ For > super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > South Africas premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm > > > > > ------------------------------------------- South Africas premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za ------------------------------------------------------------------ For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Sending your posting to [email protected] Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
