Mohlomphegi, Son of Afrika, what strikes me in your engagement is your attempt to legitimize the current leadership’s inefficiencies and failures and unfortunately you’re trying to do that based on the past failures. Your engagement below is a further indictment that yours is to further divide the movement through your factionalist tendencies, disguising to be a true Afrikanist revolutionary. Your promotion of personality cult through your utterances is particularly worrying and is compromising your objectivity, hence any respect that you may have enjoyed from other Afrikanists. It is clear to some of us that you’re trying by all means to protect the salaries of the current leadership, that – as you know very well – faces legitimacy crisis at the moment. A true revolutionary can NEVER try to justify and legitimize the (organizational and otherwise) failures and or/crisis that the PAC is currently facing.
I’d urge you to rather exhaust your energies towards party re-building programmes as opposed to personalities. The PAC is not your little fiefdom. >> Comrade Kwame >> >> I think is unreasonable of you to say that somebody who joined PAC in > 1959 >> is still a PAC member even if he/she does not pay subscription. Does > this >> apply to Makwetu, Maxwell, Tefo and the rest of others who at one stage > joined this party. The constitution and code of conduct tells us that for >> one to be a ligitimate member he/she has to pay his/her dues which of > cause is a subscription fees. Paying of this subscription fees validate > ones membership to the party. If you don't pay you are not a member > period. I question your logic in that. With regard to membership cards I > think a vast majority of PAC branches has the same problem, even in the > times of President Makwetu,Mogoba and Motsoko Pheko's leadership. This is >> a PAC problem and not an idividual problem. I myself do not have a > membership card but I am able to produce proof to whoever that I am a PAC >> member who is up to date with subscription fees. I also contribute > monthly >> R200 to PAC and make >> other contribution to the branch and the region that I am from. I don't >> see where the point you are making is taking us. >> Another example is that I regret having been part of the branches around > my region who boycoted the 2004 election because of the problem we had > with Maxwell and the PAC. This led us to losing the provincial seet in > Limpopo and we are still struggling to get one. So comrade there is no > excuse. Lastly I will say in simplicity as the great founder of this > organisation said about those who were not part of the revolution that > those who are not with us are against us. So don't find your self in that >> situation. >> >> I APPRICIATE YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THIS ORGANISATION. PLEASE DON"T > CONFUSE >> THOSE WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE DYNAMICS IN THIS ORGANISATION. >> >> Please stop your act now and become with us the habingious of the new > world order. >> >> For a united PAC Youth formation. Long live the spirit of AZANYU >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 3:53:59 PM >> Subject: [PAYCO] Revised response to Mr Moloto >> >> >> >> Revolutionary greetings, >> >> Mr Moloto, I want to take this opportunity and address some of the > issues you made about PAYCO, party membership and party building. >> >> * Base and Departure >> First and foremost what is key and critical is to accept and identify > with >> the PAC vision,its ideology,policies,objectives,constitution and its > disciplinary code. As PAYCO members we identify and accept these > fundamental and founding principles of our revolutionary party. To us PAC >> is the Alpha and Omega in fighting neo-colonialism,capitalism and other > forms of oppressive systems in Azania. PAC is the only party that can > truly bring about complete independence of our people and lead them to > economic,social and cultural emancipation,hence despite all the >> differences we have with different people and inspite of the attacks and > insults we have endured in the party we remain steadfast and never shunned >> this movement. We believe it is our historical duty to advance the > ideology,mission,and policies of the PAC. We are also duty bound to defend >> the >> glorious history of the movement and defend the legacy of our founding > fathers and sacrifices of >> Poqo/APLA cdes with our dear lifes and dignity. >> >> *members in good standing >> I am certain that a majority of PAYCO members if not all are PAC > members. >> Every person who clain to be PAC is a matter of fact and reality that > he/she has joined PAC at one stage,therefore allows that member all the > rights to claim to be PAC. You join PAC or any political party once. The > payment of yearly subscriptions is an administrative and organisational > matter. A man who joined PAC in 1959 and the one who joined in 2008 are > PAC members whether they payed their subscription or not. >> >> Let me remind you Mr Moloto,that PAC annual subscription fee is just > R10. >> You cannot believe the amount of money some of us we spend on monthly > basis on PAC activities. I come from Newcastle Region,KwaZulu > Natal,Branch >> 21(ward21). I pay my subscriptions yearly and also contribute R100 > monthly >> to >> finance branch activities.In 2007 My branch and 7 other branches in the > region submitted their Membership forms and deposited money on party > account to be issued party membership cards and never received even a > single membership card. Branches in my region resolved to withhold all the >> subscription fees in the branches concerned until we receive our cards > for >> 2007. In some instances we were forced to repay comrades from our > pockets >> as cards were not coming forth to avoid conflicts and mistrust to the > party. I was told that mine was not to be processed as I was guilty of > bringing the name of the party into disrepute,but why were my comrades > denied their cards as well for my "sins". Despite being regarded unfit to >> be PAC members Mphahlele and company were ready to receive our debit > orders on monthly basis. We decided to cancel those monthly debit orders > of R100 a month after seeing that our monies were being used to destroy > the very party we wanted to assist. >> >> You know why PAC has always been able >> to survive all the storms for the past 50years and why is still going to > survive the next 50 years is because it has die-hard membership that > cannot be wethered easily by any storm,secondly it is because it has been >> able to attract radical youth,almost 80% of PAC members are young > people,which makes the party sustainable. It is unfortunate that these > die-hards and radical youth are being harrassed in the party they serve > with >> conviction. >> >> *Branch Mass-based Programme >> The PAC is a mass based party, that means it must leave among the > people,fight the battles of the people,together with the people it must > find solututions to the challenges facing our people. Nyathi Pokela put it >> better"PAC is the people,the People are PAC". The branches I come from > in >> Newcastle region have been involve and continue to be involve on a > number >> of struggles driven by our Regional Programme of Action. I would > tabulate >> some for your information: >> >> 1. We have led 3 land invasions which has led to the homeless people of > our Town to be afforded residential sides,RDP houses,sanitation and clean >> tap water. This campaign was led by PAYCO leaership in the Branch and > gave >> glory to the party,PAC. >> >> 2.We have been mobilizing and leading the local community of Madadeni > and >> Osizweni against exorbitant rates charged by council. >> >> 3.We have succeeded to force council not to charge the elderly and poor > households rates. >> >> 4. We were party and playing a leading role in the establishment of the > Local Radio Station. I was the first Chief Operations Officer for the > Local Radio. PAC/PAYCO is able to articulate its views freely on that > radio station. >> >> 5. We lead key structures in the Community like Newcastle East Peoples > Convention(civic body) , Umsinsi Social movement(advocacy group for rural >> people) and Madadeni Development Forum >> >> 6.We have organised and led about 6 marches in the area since 2006.I > mean >> marches that receive overwhelming support from the community. >> >> 7.We have been leading students struggles in High Schools and FET > colleges.The following comrades have been hands on,Thulani >> Khumalo,Nkosinathi Ndlangisa and Mzandile Mthembu. We have led >> demonstrations and able to have our comrades lead SRC's in the 4 FET's > we >> have here. >> >> 8. We have been leading the struggle of the unemployed through NUFO a > forum for the unemployed led by cde Batho Makhubo. >> >> 9. We have been able even to lead COSATU aligned unions like SAMWU and > NUM. >> >> 10. We are involve in propaganda campaign through two > organisations,Kwame >> Nkrumah Institute for Pan Africa Ideological Studies led by Simanaye > Madlala and Marcus Garvey Society led by Batho Makhubo. >> >> I can go on and on, on the the mass based issues we are involve in under > the leadership of the following comrades,Vusumuzi Dlamini,Mphathiswa > Dyasi,Tom Dladla,Vusi Manana,Velaphi Mtshali and Rogers Mthethwa. > Ofcourse >> as >> the youth we have taken over and we are leading branches and structures > under the guidance of these comrades. We don't just talk about mass based >> politics and programme of action,we know these things and have been > involve in planning,organising and executing successful campaigns and > projects. With the benefit of hindsight sometime we realise the dangers > and risks we have involve ourselves with for the love of our >> people and PAC. It is unfortunate to realise that we stood a chance of > being >> arrested,shot at and worst to be disowned by the party we worked for > with >> conviction and distinction. I am certain different comrades and branches > would tell even worst tales than the one I have given. We have >> served,suffered and sacrificed for this party hence we remain steadfast. > I >> want to believe comrades would begin to understand how much pain we > endure >> everytime we are >> told we are not PAC,we are CIA agents and insulted by those who have > failed our revolutionary party. We assure you cdes that we would not be > deterred nor bullied out of the PAC by no one. We might have not gone for >> military training but we are ready to die in the PAC than outside PAC. >> >> *Infiltration and party building >> >> I will expand on this in detail in the comming few days >> >> Yours for a classless society >> >> cde Kwame Ndebele >> PAYCO Secretary General >> >> >>> Comrades there is one fundemental principle here that serve as the base > and >>> depature point.organisational discipline.are you a member of the pac in >> good >>> standinding?do you belong to an established branch of the party?does > you >> branch have a massbased programme?in the party building department of > the >>> party this is what we use to seek to understand indiviual comrades >> trying >>> to >>> occupy a political space under the banner of the pac.this approach is >> helping us to identify opportunists and genuine comrades with good > intention.we must also acknolegde that our party was and is still is highly >>> inflitrated and that some of the people are making their living for >> disrupting and bringing the state of disorder in the pac.this people > will >>> never submit themselves to the party discipline or meet the above > mentioned >>> conditions.that is where everybody must start.in rebuilding the party > we >> help the party structures to meet this requirements.there are common > features of agents,they come from no branch of the party.they respect no > structure and want to lead any grouping which is unstructural,critical but >>> does absolutetly nothing.i am sure you will learn something from this > so >>> as >>> to identify your friends and your enemies.if the party enemy is your > friend >>> there is something wrong with you. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >> Of >>> [email protected] >>> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2009 9:11 AM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [Fwd: [PAYCO] BY - ELECTIONS IN GAUTENG PROVINCE (MOGALE CITY > - >> KRUGERSDORP) & Westonaria] >>> Greetings comrade Masoga, >>> I was pleased to see your contribution after a while,your love for PAC >> and >>> commitment in seeing the PAC making a significant impact in the lives > of >> our >>> people is appreciated. The reconciliatory spirit of your contribution > is >> acknowleged as well. >>> I wish to assure you son of the soil that as PAYCO we remain loyal only >> to >>> the PAC and our people,we serve no other master within the PAC and >> outside >>> the party. I accept that we have been very robust in debates and very >> brutal >>> in our attack to those who divide and promote factionalism in our >> movement >>> and offer no apologies for our actions as they were correct and founded >> on >>> revolutionary principles. >>> Son of the soil like you we believe in unity,but ours is unity of >> purpose. >>> We would not be blackmailed or blindfolded by the calls for unity at > the >> expense of our party. We would not turn a blind eye on counter >>> revolutionary >>> activities just to be seen to be standing for unity. As comrades we >> should >>> be frank with each other and point wrong doing in an instance to avoid >> colossal damage we find ourselves into today. >>> If you are honest to yourself you will know that PAYCO has always been >> on >>> the defense,we have been labelled sell-outs,agents provocatears,agents >> of >>> Multinational companies,etc. We have remained steadfast on our >> principles >>> and always avoided insults. Where comrades interpreted certain > positions >>> as >>> insults I have continously cautioned PAYCO members against such >> behaviour. >>> I >>> think it is more revolutionary to identify the source of the problem > and >> deal with it. It is not PAYCO that is suspending branches,Component > structures and councillors without proper disciplinary processes being > adhered to.It is not PAYCO that is dimembering party stalwarts,veterans > and >>> former leaders. It is not PAYCO that insult the contributions of our > former >>> leaders and party fighters in the media. It is not PAYCO that is >> creating >>> parrallel structures. It is not PAYCO that is praising Zuma. It is not >> PAYCO >>> that is promoting factions and disunity in the party. It is not PAYCO >> that >>> promotes personality cults in the party. >>> Thanx son of the soil, >>> Hoping to see you in the upcoming PAYCO Congress. >>> Yours for a classless society >>> Kwame Ndebele >>> PAYCO Secretary General >>> ---------------------------- Original Message >> ---------------------------- >>> Subject: [PAYCO] BY - ELECTIONS IN GAUTENG PROVINCE (MOGALE CITY - >> KRUGERSDORP) & Westonaria >>> From: "Jack masoga" <[email protected]> >>> Date: Fri, October 9, 2009 21:22 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: "PAYCO Azania" <[email protected]> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Revolutionary Greetings Majoni >>> I always read about WHO is WHO on this platform, people think that they > are >>> better than others. I was invited to PAYCO Congress to be held at >> Nothern >>> Cape which started tonight. >>> However I want to challenge the Youth in the Pan Africanist Congress of >> Azania to wake up and implement IOTA by contesting the two Wards which > are >>> up for taking. >>> I took stock of work that was done by PAYCO around Khutsong and nearby >> areas >>> which is West Rand. I hope Comrade Nonceba Mbilini, Bafana Mthimkhulu, >> Lazim >>> Mokoena will ensure that PAC under their Leadership in the West Rand >> will >>> win those Wards so that we speak in the position of Power. >>> Please MaAfrika stop calling Africansits Sell- out, Agents of >> Imperilism, >>> Yes Man of Whoever, Capitalist, instead concentrate on the 1st aim of >> the >>> PAC which is "to rally and unite the African People under the banner of >> African Nationalism" How do your expect to rally and unite African > people >>> if >>> you "Africanists call each other names" what a shame MaAfrika. >>> I remain Cal Zimbiri >>> 0731822656 >>> (012) 323 9905 (O) >>> ----------------------------------------- >>> This email was sent using SquirrelMail. >>> "Webmail for nuts!" >>> http://squirrelmail.org/ >>> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> This email was sent using SquirrelMail. >> "Webmail for nuts!" >> http://squirrelmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> This email was sent using SquirrelMail. >> "Webmail for nuts!" >> http://squirrelmail.org/ >> >> >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> This email was sent using SquirrelMail. >> "Webmail for nuts!" >> http://squirrelmail.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > South Africa's premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > For super low premiums, click here http://home.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Sending your posting to [email protected] Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
