Comrade Sizani What in your view are the "numerous pressing challenges" and by implication not the "waste of time" issues of discussion between me and Cunningham. For your interest, my approach and targeted engagement with figures like Cunningham is to seek to induce anyone concerned including yourself to unlock our thinking which up to now has seen many party members merely stuck in political inertia. We cant make it easy in anyway for anyone by talking only about issues where everyone is comfortable with. For the first has someone been more candid and honest about blunders committed following the 1990 unbanning of the party including the need to draw valuable lessons from these. Any further analysis, strategising and subsequent development of a party programme must arise from that kind of exercise, however unpalatable this may be to some. I believe, the party must operate in an enviroment (political, ideological, econmic and cultural) not of its choosing but where other organisations had operated before or currently or seek to carve own political spaces. The PAC is not a product of one's imagination but of its own history, of circumstances external to it and contradictions within the organisation and of the objective movement of society.
Mawande -----Original Message----- From: RK Sizani [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 06 April 2010 01:03 PM To: 'Cunningham Ngcukana'; Mawande Jack; [email protected]; 'PAYCO Azania'; 'Tsietsi' Cc: [email protected]; 'Kwanele Letlaka'; [email protected]; [email protected]; 'Mduduzi Sibeko'; 'Yandisa Ngcuka'; [email protected]; 'Simphiwe Nofuma'; 'Lulamile Ntonzima'; 'Loyiso Mfuku'; [email protected] Subject: RE: [PAYCO] RE: Comrades Ngcukana and Jack, Africanists and Pan africanists in Azania, Africa and Abroad/diaspora have numerous pressing challenges than to waste time disagreeing about the nature and content of an ANC programme led by a charlatan like Thabo Mbeki. Lets get on with our on issues, such as defining, our role and programme for our country and people post 1994. Khal sizani -----Original Message----- From: Cunningham Ngcukana [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 06 April 2010 12:36 To: Mawande Jack; [email protected]; PAYCO Azania; Tsietsi Cc: [email protected]; Kwanele Letlaka; [email protected]; RK Sizani; [email protected]; Mduduzi Sibeko; Yandisa Ngcuka; [email protected]; Simphiwe Nofuma; Lulamile Ntonzima; Loyiso Mfuku; [email protected] Subject: RE: [PAYCO] RE: Hi Cde Mawande The PAC cadres are experts in quotations and labelling without giving concrete practical expression that can be translated into a programme of action on the ground, I am quite glad that as you pointed out I have never been part of those armchair revolutionaries. I want to correct you politically from your own misconceptions that you create and then attack. Without fear of contradiction I must point out to you that no one has a copy right to Pan Africanism and the PAC does not have patent rights on Pan Africanism hence there are variants of the ideology on the continent. What Nyerere and Kaunda were espousing was different from the PAC if you care to know. Also Marcus Garvey was different to W.E Du Bois and George Padmore who was the Secretary of the Third Commintern before he joined Nkrumah! To claim that Mbeki hijacked a non-existent programme of the PAC is opportunism and naivety at its worst. No one can hijack what does not exist and what is not owned by anyone. I want to prove you this fact by asking you to send me the PAC political report and resolutions since 1994 if they exist. Also send me an organisational and financial report of the PAC since 1994 to date. They are non-existent. The PAC Conferences had been Conferences of angry Africans and demagogues at most as their organisation was around leadership not policy; strategy and tactics or a programme of action! Thabo Mbeki to me has done something by seeking to address the issues confronting the continent within the constraints of African political geometry. He has not howled like the directionless PAC leaders and its cadres! For what he has done I laud him without fear of contradiction. I do not use the 1949 speech of Sobukwe of the 21 October vainly I take the context within which it was made and its relevance today. You are talking of a revolution of ideas within the party an incorrect ideological approach rather than the party looking at the changing nature of the character of the national and class question and the balance of national and international forces and their correlation at this juncture. Work from there to determine what strategy and tactics to apply to achieve the objectives of the PAC as set out in our 1959 basic documents. I hope you open your eyes to reality rather than empty sloganeering. Kind Regards Cunningham Ngcukana -----Original Message----- From: Mawande Jack [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 06 April 2010 11:16 To: Cunningham Ngcukana; [email protected]; PAYCO Azania; Tsietsi Subject: RE: [PAYCO] RE: Comrade Cunningham My interaction with you has shown that a lot of political education is needed, for while we may be of the same mind on party basic documents, on various issues of the day, how we intepret them and the kind of approaches we have in dealing with these, we, however, tend to be disparate diverging groups yet within the party. I've never heard of anyone in the party before bodly declaring that Thabo Mbeki, despite being ANC leader, should be seen as a comrade or fellow Africanist. What is the party's position in regard to your embrace of Mbeki including you vouching for being pragmmatic? Some might want to refer you to lines in the basic documents, Sobukwe's warning remarks in 1949 about "reasonableness and broadmindedness," "clever talk," "practical experience as the modifier of man's views." Powerful figures within the party admonished some lesser powerful by defining certain utterings and views as "taboo." At some stage in the party history it was taboo to some to speak of Marxism or socialism. Even on issues of working with black consciousness organisations like Azapo or on creation of a united front with those having a contradiction with the settler-regime. The current inner-party revolt by the youth is, to quote Sobukwe, "against the feudal notion of authority." I hope you will by your abrasive style take the bull by the horns.Many more will emulate your example, I hope. A revolution of ideas within the party should be triggered. A healthy culture of democratic debate may be ushered in than has been stifled for years. I believe many more of our comrades will develop the kinds of courage as has happened with Payco to speak out without any fear of contradiction. It actually boils down to developing policies and strategies relevant for the times and this current phase of liberation politics. Only in this kind of climate can we see the growth of the PAC guaranteed. Nothing is sacred in the realm of politics and there could be no untouchables. Izwe Lethu! Mawande -----Original Message----- From: Cunningham Ngcukana [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 April 2010 04:33 PM To: Mawande Jack; [email protected]; Tsietsi Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; RK Sizani; Simphiwe Nofuma; Lulamile Ntonzima; [email protected]; [email protected]; Loyiso Mfuku; [email protected]; Tulani Pike; Siyabulela Nyobo Subject: RE: [PAYCO] RE: Hi Cde Mawande Cde Thabo Mbeki said at that time there is a lot of literature and analysis about the state of Africa and it is time to act. Theorising is quite nice but it must be done taking the objective and subjective conditions into account and it cannot be done in vacou! The NEPAD programme is far better than anything in post-colonial Africa. The PAC has up to this day not define the nature and character of the national and continental question in post colonial Africa under the current global polyical; social and economic conditions. I read twaddle called PAC position. The las time ther were documents in an Africanist meeting was at the launch of PAM. Subsequent PAC Conferences have no political report of the President on the State of the Nation and Continent; Secretarial Report on the organisational functionality of the party; policies; strategy and tactics let alone a financial one. We had the 1980 Lagos Plan and the Final Act of Lagos which was more of an industrialisation plan adopted in April 1980 by OAU. It was a plan imposed by the United Nations Economic Commission for Africa under the leadership of Adebayo Adedeji. Who ironically was the worst critic of NEPAD but later served as the first Chairperson of the APRM. You have to understand the context of African political tapestry before you howl about revolutionary solutions. Who is a revolutionary President in Africa? the buffoon called Gaddafi or the thief dos Santos or the Imperialist agent Chissano? I am a practical person who does not believe in pipe dreams and who acts within' the realm of the possible and necessary. I am beyond sloganeering as it has never taken a revolutionary party anywhere and breeds thugs like Maxwell and many others who have derailed the PAC. If you call a thug like Gaddafi a revolutionary then I am not part of that. perhaps one needs to tease certain ideological and political misconceptions about what the PAC stands for, It is not certainly the rubbish of Gaddafi and other thugs like him. I urge you to read our basic documents properly and the paper of Snail Mgwebi. One needs to tease out the notion of an Africanist socialist democracy that is in our basic documents and what that means and why the CPSA were called "quacks" by Sobukwe. Is Gaddafi fitting within this paradigm? Certainly not. He is a thug period. He is one of the worst confusionists in African politics that we need to deal with. Our support for dictatorships in Africa just because they were throwing crumbs to us is incorrect and goes against our basic documents! to vulgarise the PAC like the APRP twaddle is incorrect. Mxolisi Mgxashe is as confused as I first met him in 1977. The so called New Road was nonsense as PAC had and has documents to guide it though they need to be updated. I notice a lot of people bringing junk politics in the PAC calling them revolutionary. Back to the basic documents! Kind Regards Cunningham Ngcukana -----Original Message----- From: Mawande Jack [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 April 2010 15:54 To: Cunningham Ngcukana; [email protected]; Tsietsi Subject: RE: [PAYCO] RE: Dear Cunningham It's good that you can talk openly about some of these nagging issues to provide party members with a material for debate. Indeed there are various issues, like Nepad that the party failed to interrogate in terms of whether this was not an adulteration of the Pan-Africanist liberation project, and to what extent could it be said this was in consonance with the desire for self-determination and towards furthering the continent's economic sovereignty. Further as to whether its assumed progressive import could convincingly and adequately be seen more as the continuation of Kwame Nkrumah's Pan African vision to subvert neo-colonial incursions by the erstwhile colonial powers. My observation of Mbeki, his sometimes militant rhetoric aside, and his being dubbed by pseudo-revolutionaries in the corpse of the SACP and Cosatu as capitalist nothwithstanding, is that he could not grow, both in vision and strategising, beyond the ideological strictures of the ANC charterist liberal accommodationism. In many of his articulations about Nepad, it was apparent that he sought to supplant and at worst vulgarise the most basic tenets of Pan-Africanism to suit imperialist designs.Strangely, his search for African continental unity has been at odds with Muamar Gadaffi's views, and hence Cassablancan. In the ultimate analysis, parallel to his movement for promoting peace in the continent, was the frenzied encroachment into territories of minerally and oil-rich African countries by the settler-capitalist multinationals to open up markets, exploit the wealth, labour and land of these countries like in the DRC, Sudan, Zimbabwe etc. I'm perfect agreement with you when you assert that no heads of state could lead a revolution. Equally, could there had been other options for revolutionaries to explore and problably launch of another anti-neocolonial trajectory in the light of a superimposed development agenda whose partners were the very sponsors of a neo-colonial reaction. To me it looks like there's more research and analytical work needed on some of these because, in my view, discourse post-1990, has merely degenerated into being more subscriptive to fashionable notions of human rights, development, peace and reconciliation. And external domination of the continent has intensified. Izwe Lethu!! Mawande -----Original Message----- From: Cunningham Ngcukana [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 April 2010 02:40 PM To: Mawande Jack; [email protected]; Mahlangu, Congress; Yandisa Ngcuka; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Lulamile Ntonzima; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Tulani Pike; [email protected]; [email protected]; Mduduzi Sibeko Subject: RE: [PAYCO] RE: Hi Mawanda It is a long time since I have seen or spoke to you. I want to clarify you on some of the issues that you raise. I want to confirm without fear of contradiction that I support the NEPAD vision even now. The key reasons for that it speaks to the challenges facing the African continent. I have noted that some people have been critics of NEPAD without even having read the document itself. The NEPAD vision is based on six pillars; that one can summarise as peace and security as a pre-requisite for development( ending the civil wars on the continent); political governance and democracy; economic governance; improving food security through agriculture; infrastructure development both hard and soft (energy; transport; ICT); market access for African product to developed countries; a human resource development and finally redefining the relationship between the developed countries and the African continent Debt cancellation and the way aid is delivered) . Only a fool will argue with this vision. Some academic and intellectual delinquents have criticised NEPAD based on a narrow view or ill-informed view that a meeting of African Heads of State of the African Union is a meeting of revolutionaries and socialists. Only a fool would believe that. NEPAD was a compromise document of the African Initiative pushed by South Africa and Nigeria; the Omega Plan of Wade backed by France and the Egyptian trade initiative backed by the US. A failure to understand the tapestry of African politics results in some nice sounding catch phrases without any bearing hence people expect a socialist programme from non-socialists mouthing term like neo-liberalism and when asked to define its meaning people become starry-eyed. Another reality of African politics is that many African countries depend on aid to finance their budgets such as Egypt (20% from the US); Senegal (50% from France); Ethiopia (30% from the US); Mozambique (45% from the EU); Uganda (20 % from the UK); Tanzania (30% from the UK and US) and the list goes on. This influences to a large extent decisions of the AU and other African sub-Regional Organisations. Some of the foreign funded NGOs who call NEPAD a neo-liberal programme are agents of imperialism who are used to maintain the status quo through meaningless sound bites. I do not know of any person who was marginalised in front of my own eyes and this is news to me. I have never worked for a faction in the PAC or accept to be used by anybody and to suggest that it is an insult to my integrity. I may have supported Letlapa in the face of the anarchy in the PAC then and based on him serving only three years and not going to parliament. Realising that Letlapa was nothing but a thug I asked him to gracefully stand down as he is doing the opposite of what he had said he would do! I have said it directly to him and the thug Skwatsha that they are destroying the PAC by creation of factions; dismembering senior cadres of the party and insulting old cadres. If anybody has been demoralised I had and have nothing to do with that as I have served and continue to serve the PAC expecting no gratification or position of leadership. I joined the PAC as an individual and no one can demoralise me. Ideologically I remain very clear of what PAC stands for, Kind Regards Cunningham Ngcukana -----Original Message----- From: Mawande Jack [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 April 2010 09:47 To: [email protected]; Cunningham Ngcukana; Mahlangu, Congress; Yandisa Ngcuka; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Lulamile Ntonzima; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Tulani Pike; [email protected]; [email protected]; Mduduzi Sibeko Subject: RE: [PAYCO] RE: Ma-Afrika Many of our young members who subsequently joined Azanyu used to have a high regard for Cunningham Ngcukana for his courage, boldness of character,eloquence and analyses of politics (regional and global)as relating to the Azanian situation especially in the 1980s.He stood up to the charterists and his political contribution was so immense that even the likes of Dikgang Moseneke, Joe Thloloe, Thami Mazwai, etc were so inspired by his intellectual grasp of issues. We as Azanyu leadership worked very close with him while he was Nactu general secretary. I do not know now whether he is still well-grounded ideologically. Remember, he was roped in by Mbeki govt into his Nepad/African Rennaissance project. What was his analysis of that project as informed by the Pan-Africanist revolutionary theory and being at the same time the member of the PAC? As someone more closer then to the party's negotiating group, pre and post, he owes it to us who had reservations about the path of détente pursued by the party in being frank and honest enough in providing once more an objective appraisal of that process and how it related to the current demise and confusion within the ranks of the party.I say this, because Cunningham must have seen how certain ideologically advanced sections within the PAC whom he had worked with were being marginalised in front of his eyes and worked in cahoots with opportunist elements who are directly responsible for the current demise of the PAC. As he is now the moving force behind the party's reinvigoration exercise and I commend him for that, we could learn much from his analysis once more. Yet certain decisions he made at the time were really disturbing with the resultant demoralisation of good cadres who had made extreme sacrifices to the cause of the PAC. Izwe Lethu Mawande Jack -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Loyiso Mfuku Sent: 31 March 2010 04:45 PM To: 'Cunningham Ngcukana'; 'Mahlangu, Congress'; 'Yandisa Ngcuka'; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; 'Lulamile Ntonzima'; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; 'Tulani Pike'; [email protected]; [email protected]; 'Mduduzi Sibeko' Cc: [email protected] Subject: [PAYCO] RE: Importance: High Hi M-Afrika Cunningham I am not a long-time follower of the PAC but i'm one of those young person who got inspired by the ideology the PAC is subscribing to. Many i know, were willing & Still are to join the PAC but are often turned off by the unfolding internal fights in the organisation. I watch a lot of documentaries about freedom and liberation struggles from various part of the world. I listen to news, read papers e.t.c. but most of all I am part of the service delivery struggle that is happening in our communities today. I am also helping in the facilitation and mobilisation of the emergency of small socialist movements we often hear of in our communities. They are spreading like swine flu. Most of these organisations are lead by PAC former members who are still fighting for the real cause but outside PAC ranks. From what i gather from during our meetings. THE FULL FORCE OF MASS MOBILISATION WILL BE APPLIED TO BRING POWER BACK TO THE PEOPLE! Izwe! L -----Original Message----- From: Cunningham Ngcukana [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 31 Mar 2010 13:20 To: Loyiso Mfuku; Mahlangu, Congress; Yandisa Ngcuka; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Lulamile Ntonzima; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Tulani Pike; [email protected]; [email protected]; Mduduzi Sibeko Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Hi Loyiso We sometimes like to externalise issues as the PAC without doing a soul searching of ourselves. We sometimes engage in political howling forgetting that the PAC was part of the Kempton Park Settlement and its flaws rightly or wrongly. AZAPO is the only organisation that as a matter of principle can say that Kempton Park was a sell out as it refused to participate in the process and the first elections. We fought elections and lost as we had no programme or strategy or infrastructure. We did not have a message to the Azanian masses let alone the Mandela factor. Our understanding of electoral politics was and remains narrow and is not located within the revolutionary understanding of the electoral process. We have not viewed parliament as a site of struggle amongst many and we did not use our formations in an appropriate manner let alone give them a vision since 94 to date. The PAC has been a meal ticket for those in leadership not an agent of social and economic transformation to change the quality of life for the better. We have been led by political nicampoomps for a long time who had no understanding even of the basic ideological and political thrust of the PAC. We have had thugs infiltrating the PAC for their nefarious ends. Kind Regards Cunningham Ngcukana -----Original Message----- From: Loyiso Mfuku [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 30 March 2010 16:35 To: Cunningham Ngcukana; 'Mahlangu, Congress'; 'Yandisa Ngcuka'; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; 'Lulamile Ntonzima'; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; 'Tulani Pike'; [email protected]; [email protected]; 'Mduduzi Sibeko' Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Importance: High Ma-Afrika I am calling for a radical change in the attitude of all Afrikanist to fight with the Azanian masses against neo-colonialism brought upon by the ANC broad church structures. Moderate as they are a change will never happen in Azania. The time to call for bringing PAC in shape has long expired. I'm in a state where believing the PAC shape will be brought about by the struggle of the real people. A revolutionary change where writers will emerge and truly depict the masses in the only historically correct perspective and as true makers of history Responding to Malema and ANC attack only dignifying the lies they intend to spread. I beg you Ma-Afrika to lobby Letlapa, engage him in a descent conversation for the sake of our party. Some of us cant even breathe without PAC. Izwe Lethu! L [email protected] ABANG AFRICA TRAVEL & TRUST Tel: +27(0)21 426 1330/1334 Fax: +27(0)21 426 1336 www.abangafrica.com www.abangafrica.org www.bafanakids.org Please use our new Postal address : P.O. Box 15909 ; Vlaeberg ; 8018 Offices: 162 Buitengracht Str; Bo Kaap; Cape Town; 8001; RSA Meet us at TUR in Sweden 25 - 28 March 2010, Stand A 1:40 -----Original Message----- From: Cunningham Ngcukana [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 30 Mar 2010 13:58 To: Mahlangu, Congress; Yandisa Ngcuka; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Lulamile Ntonzima; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Loyiso Mfuku; Tulani Pike; [email protected]; [email protected]; Mduduzi Sibeko Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Hi Congress In your injunction you raise several points that require separate treatment and not to be conflated to one issue. There are three issues that you raise. The first is the state of the party that we all agree it needs to be rectified in terms of organisation; leadership; strategy and programme of action. Some comrades have already written volumes of papers on this matter including myself. It then requires action on our part to redeem the party. The second issue is the attack on the PAC and what the response should be. Even if we were united the ANC would still attack us as they have done in the past! That you should have no illusion of as it has happened in the 80s and the 90s. PASO was a victim of Stofile and his hooligans in Fort Hare! Attacks both physically and verbally were conducted by the ANC and its progeny on our cadres until we responded in equal measure and there were no planning meetings except those with the task to do so. The third issue you raise is the gangster state led by Zuma an issue that is at the heart of our very existence as a party to fight through provision of leadership to the masses of our people. You are like Mohau Pheko with her warped brains who when attacking NEPAD thinks that a meeting of African Heads of State is a meeting of socialists and you must expect a socialist programme from the AU which will never happen or Blade who expect socialism from an ANC that has never claimed to be socialist. When thugs run government you cannot expect anything but theft and looting. Our duty and responsibility is to provide leadership with vision to extricate the masses of our from this morass. We must not whine but work. Kind Regards Cunningham Ngcukana From: Mahlangu, Congress [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 29 March 2010 16:34 To: Cunningham Ngcukana; Yandisa Ngcuka; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Lulamile Ntonzima; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Loyiso Mfuku; Tulani Pike; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Hi Cunningham, There are several points to note about the whole scenario. The reason why PAC has politically and administratively performed so terrible in many areas is this type of its actions. They have leaders who lead without any slightest vision. Leaders, who never led anything, except their own pockets. They are dangerously spontaneous and very impulsive. Remember the amputation of hands; remember your sodla sonke slogan, just remember how the 1994 elections were planned by the PAC, with the subsequent emergence of the so-called revolutionary watchdogs. The recent being the call to injure Malema until he dies. The PAC programmes with an exception of the 1960 and few other activities are littered with poor planning which is normally based on slanders, spreading stupid calumnies and lies. Most heartily for the interest and love of this organization, we refuse to give up. But I refuse to be part of loose cannons. Everything that ANC is doing is well planned. They have a programme to plunge this country into anarchy. We know the ANC is run by mercenaries, Askaris. How do you explain the fact that a Premier in Mpumalanga has stashed R14m in his backyard? Let alone the hit list that exists in every province. To deal with such ills, you don't need some short cuts. I am currently reading a book on Wall Street and Bolshevik Revolution. It is about meticulous planning so as to sustain any potential revolution. We must separate a media stunt from the actual revolutionary programme. I understand that the PAC has suffered enough media blackout. Eqala kanje, asoze yalunga Regards Congress ________________________________ From: Cunningham Ngcukana [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 29 March 2010 02:48 PM To: Mahlangu, Congress; Yandisa Ngcuka; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Lulamile Ntonzima; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Loyiso Mfuku; Tulani Pike; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Hi Congress I have been part and parcel of building party structures in the 80s. PASO started with by Cde Jojo through ASAAC issued statements and commented on the developments within the educational system from 1984. It led to the launch of PASO late in 1988. The issue of the drug snorting drunkard of the ANCYL being attacked by PAYCO is correct. Whether they have the capacity or not. Zuma did not call anybody to order when Malema said he was prepared to shoot to kill for him nor Vavi. I see nothing wrong with PAYCO statement as they clarified it that the country is run by a criminal from Zuma downwards. What may and may not be strategic is that Malema has enemies inside and outside the ANC. Our youth should not keep quite when an illiterate like Malema is urinating on our history! Ayesaba amagwala! Kind Regards Cunningham Ngcukana From: Mahlangu, Congress [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 26 March 2010 14:49 To: Yandisa Ngcuka; Cunningham Ngcukana; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Lulamile Ntonzima; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Loyiso Mfuku; Tulani Pike; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Cde Yandisa, Threats and empty rhetoric do not advance our revolution. As a matter of fact, I don't know who are these cockroaches who call themselves PAC Youth League and their so-called President? I know of PAYCO as official component of the PAC. You are correct; such a plan cannot be advertise through the media if indeed it exists. You see clowns these who goes around and parade their action of empty threats are no different from Malema. Umhlaba ________________________________ From: Yandisa Ngcuka [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 26 March 2010 02:39 PM To: Cunningham Ngcukana; [email protected]; Mahlangu, Congress; [email protected]; [email protected]; Lulamile Ntonzima; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Loyiso Mfuku; Tulani Pike; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Comrade Cunningham, I agree, it's time this clown and his ilk are taught a tough lesson. However, I am not certain if the death threats (especially through the media) would achieve anything - particularly in restoring the name of the PAC in the minds of the Azanian masses. Izwe lethu! Yandisa final Yandisa Ngcuka - [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> - www.aaatravel.co.za <http://www.aaatravel.co.za/> P please consider the environment - do you really need to print this email? "One of the truest tests of intergrity is its blunt refusal to be compromised" Chinua Achebe From: Cunningham Ngcukana [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 26 Mar 2010 14:16 To: Yandisa Ngcuka; [email protected]; Mahlangu, Congress; [email protected]; [email protected]; Lulamile Ntonzima; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Loyiso Mfuku; Tulani Pike; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: RE: Hi Yandisa I unfortunately agree with them. I think the wood work fellow needs his comeuppance. It is a pity that I have certain constraints I would ensure that the wood work fellow gets tenders in heaven or hell. I think the time of pussy footing towards the ANC kleptocrats and their looting of state resources to be used against us should be addressed not with velvet gloves. Kind Regards Cunningham Ngcukana From: Yandisa Ngcuka [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 26 March 2010 13:51 To: Cunningham Ngcukana; [email protected]; Mahlangu, Congress; [email protected]; [email protected]; Lulamile Ntonzima; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; Loyiso Mfuku; Tulani Pike; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Fellow Afrikanists, This so called PAC Youth League continue to humiliate us! http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=nw20100326120 5569 77C878377 NOTICE - This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. 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