What Unity?unholy unity?Are you saying it is correct to have people claiming to be PAC members while they are holding membership or other rhetoric parties?It is not a sin remind Mabaso that he is a member of PAM and Raymond is a DSM member.
If they have decided to come back home,there is nothing wrong.Let them say so and they are welcomed. I pause On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele <[email protected] > wrote: > Mo Afrika Tladi > > In the interest of UNITY WITHIN THE PAC the PAN AFRICANIST MOVEMENT in > general I do not expect you to answer to this comrade in the maner you did. > You sound very much an angry person. Unfortunately your anger is > misdirected. You are the spokes person of PAYCO and in the name of PAC. I > need to remind you that PAYCO is synonimus to PAC. So PAC comrades in > whatever fuction within PAC will always find a way to contribute in whatever > matter associated with PAC. Comrades will never remain mute in matters that > concern and affect PAC. People who contribute here are not neccesarly PAYCO > members, but they remain Pan Africanists in their chosen sphere. At the > moment PAC is on a retrospective stance and whatever contribution by > comrades will be more appreciated than your anger. Comrade we are seeking a > way for unity of interest in the PAC and you instead chose to disunite the > comrades. You are breaking one principle of Pan Africanism that is TO UNITE > AND RALLY AFRICAN PEOPLE UNDER THE REVOLUTIONARY IDEA OF AFRICAN > NATIONALISM. Comrade you don't need my lacture you should know this. All I > am cautioning here is a thorny issue of disunity in our movement and cannot > tolerate comrades who continue to sore and nurish the seed of disunity in > this SOBUKWE SHIP. > > UNITY IN OUR LIFETIME!!! > ------------------------------ > *From:* sello mafrika Tladi <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Tue, May 4, 2010 2:38:47 PM > *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Raymond Nkrumah Kgagudi wrote on your Wall... > > Which capacities are you giving this advise to PAYCO both of you as PAC > supporters or sympathisers.Last time we spoke to Raymond myself and PAYCO > President he told us that he does not want to be associated with PAC youth > wing PAYCO.How is DSM? > > Mabaso I hope you are not lost this PAYCO FORUM not of that ghost you > formed with Thami.I refuse to call it with the name of revolutionary > movement that was formed to defend revolution in occupied Azania. > > You used to be useful in the PAC but not today. > > counter revolutionaries will never chat a revolutionary way forward > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Chargein Mabaso <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I agree with Nrumah. As Pan Africanists we have correct political line >> and ideology. Problem: rhetoric and vulgarizaton of Pan Africanism. Our main >> rival, the ruling party, mastered what Pan Africaists are very weak at >> doing: understanding and practicing political hegemony and the notion of >> "From the masses, to the masses..."(mass line). You may call it Stalinism, >> but it works. That's what kept and still keeps the ANC and other political >> parties in power. That's , political influence and control of the thinking >> of the whole society at large(workers, peasants, business people, >> professionals, academcs, clerics and atheists, cerebrities, sports people, >> pensioners, women, youth,students, etc). These are all the people who will >> either take us to or remove us from power depending on who has won their >> hearts and minds, not our members. If not, South Africa will be under the >> minority rule of a group of terrorists who can sieze power only through >> force of arms, not through international accepted democratic practices >> (popular votes). >> >> Cunningham and other Pan Africanists in NACTU owes us an explanation >> for their faiulre to do what is expected of them, just like Vavi and other >> trade union leaders. MDC is today a serious threat in Zimbabwe with its >> pro-West ideas because of unions under its apron strings. What is >> different between NACTU and other trade unions in the whole world? >> >> I still believe with the full support of influential unions and other >> formations of the civil society we can rule this country from tommorrow >> onward. I have not doubts. Let's just address address all our failures and >> weaknesses. And then go t the voters. Door-to-door campaign is what we >> inherited from Sobukwe and his cabinet. Arm-chair politics will continue >> keeping Pan Africanists out of power in South Afica. >> >> PAYCO group must be used only to refine our ideoogy; to iron out >> ideological strggles, not for rhetorics and complaining about ANC >> outperforming us in the election game. We must answer challenges facing the >> movement, such as : >> >> - Pan Africanism wthout Pan Africanists >> - Africanist Socalist Democracy v.s New Democracy in SA >> - United States of Africa or Unified Socialist Africa >> - United States of Africa without socalist States or socialists >> - Pan Afrcanism: Capitalism or Socialism? >> - Private planned or State planned economy >> - Malema's nationalisation : Capitalist or Socalist route? >> Difference?? >> - Return of land: How?? >> - Transfer of economic power: How?? >> - etc >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:31 PM, sello mafrika Tladi <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Facebook >>> <[email protected]<notification%[email protected]> >>> > >>> Date: Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:18 PM >>> Subject: Raymond Nkrumah Kgagudi wrote on your Wall... >>> To: Sello M'Afrika <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> Raymond Nkrumah posted something on your Wall and wrote: >>> >>> "Rhetorical statements are not a solution and the serve no significant >>> purpose but if you can start working within the masses, build and integrate >>> the party within t community and workers' struggles then you will possess >>> the stregnth and ability to condemn and effect the necessary revolutionary >>> change within the occupied Azania and the African Continent. through >>> organisation and a clear political theory we can liberate Africans from the >>> current state of servitude, poverty and human degradation." >>> >>> >>> Reply to this email to comment on this post. >>> >>> To see your Wall or to write on Raymond Nkrumah's Wall, follow the link >>> below: >>> >>> http://www.facebook.com/n/?profile.php&id=1529311958&v=wall&story_fbid=1421477266819&mid=2435a30G5b2772d6G19ce288G1&n_m=rmsello%40gmail.com >>> >>> Thanks, >>> The Facebook Team >>> >>> ___ >>> Find people from your Gmail address book on Facebook! 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