Cde Hulisani
Letlapa Mphahlele gleaned his popularity by defying the TRC. At the time the corn wasn't ripen that we should be apologetic for being for waging a just people's war against settler minority rule. This revolutionary intransigence on his part was never translated in to a developing the party character. He should be deposed in the helm of this movement as we are currently going to hell in a hand basket. However, we should be cautious and circumspect about the candidate that should replace him. How long should be mourn about the decisions that we take about leaders that we elect ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mohlomphegi Mphahlele Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 4:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Raymond Nkrumah Kgagudi wrote on your Wall... Izwe Lethu! I think Majoni with such honest debates as that of Mo Afrika Mmbara we might see the light at the end of the tunnel. At last hope will be emparted to the African people and will be releaved of their demise under the ANC goverment and will be convinced that PAC at last might deliver them from capitalist evil perpertuated by ANC goverment.It is true that our leadership were and continue to be sympathetic to the ruling party. I realy do not recall a time where PAC leadership has expressed their distaste of the neo-liberal and capitalist bougeousie goverment of ANC. Like I said earlier that some of us are even embrasing ANC leaders. Let me say this in Biblical terms as Sobukwe has said'It is now that we have to choose for we will in simple terms say that those who are not with us are against us. NO FORCE CAN DILUTE OUR MILITANCY!! Izwe Lethu!! ________________________________ From: Hulisani Mmbara <[email protected]> To: PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 11:21:08 AM Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: Raymond Nkrumah Kgagudi wrote on your Wall... M'Afrika Charge-In It is true that PAYCO supported Letlapa's Presidential campaign on the basis that as president, together with the leadership collective would tackle the ruling party and make the party more visible and present in the national political landscape. He agreed that he would adopt a combative approach towards the ruling ANC. We also expected him to play a significant role to undermine factionalism in the party through a revolutionary programme of action which would keep members of the party focused on mass struggles. We further expected him to support all componet structures to effectively fullfil their roles in the party. However this was not to be. We realised that he was not prepared at all to speak against the ANC. He became a perpetrator of factionalism par execellence. He refused and obstructed the NEC from coming up with any strategic document or a programme of action. He undermined component structures. It was against this background that we withdraw our principled support for him and called on him to step down because it was then clear to us that we have been duped to support another side of the coin of the same ANC programme that Godi was pushing. It has became apparent that all presidential candidates including Thami ka Plaatjie where carry the same ANC programme. All of them where competing to deliver the PAC to the ANC. Their conduct to date bears testimony to that. All of them are ANC lackeys. That Letlapa could not be reedemed became clear to us when the resolution of the policy conference held in Cape Town in December 2006 where frustrated and ultimately thrown out of the window. But we remained patient and some of us volunteered to work in the office for more than six months since beginning of 2007 in order to strengthen the party. You will remember comrade Charge-In that before Letlapa invoke the decree it was none other that PAYCO represented by myself who opposed Letlapa's unilateral decision to remove you as secretary for finance on the basis of non-performance. I specifically told the NEC that nobody in the NEC, including Letlapa has been assessed, that there was no peformance model in place to do such assessment and that the President cannot remove elected officials willy-nilly according to his mood on any given day. Another major problem was that he did absolutely nothing to secure the relocation of the Secretary General, Ahmed Cassim, despite the fact that the NEC and the NWC resolved many time on this issue. In December 2007 PAYCO took a decision to withdraw its support for Letlapa because it was clear that he was carrying a counter revolutionary mandate. We made this decision publicly known in January 2008, after conveying the same message to Letlapa in person, during the same month and have been consistent ever since. As PAYCO president at the time, i lead this particular move from the front and in the process made myself enemies amongst slow learners in the party for allegedly dragging our dirty linen in public. However i am happy to say those who vehemently opposed us at the time also joined us later after, especially after the discredited Alice congress. The biggest lesson we learned with the Letlapa experience is that we must never again allow inactive members of the party to lead the PAC again. We repeated the same problem that created Mogoba and Pheko, all of them fetched from the wilderness top come and lead the PAC. We must never repeat that mistake. No leader of the PAC is good enough to lead the PAC unless such leader takes an active role in the party otherwise you end up with elements who have the mandate to carryout enemy progammes infiltrating the leadership of the party. I will express my views in some deatil to Raymond's comments and many similar comments around PAYCO media strategy some other time. All i can say for know is that PAYCO is the only voice you find in media spaces filling the void that ought to be occupied by PAC and in fact reminding people that PAC still exist. This has given many people hope. Izwelethu! >From : Hulisani Mmbara Call : 082 593 3012 Fax : 086 690 1176 ________________________________ Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 09:04:37 +0200 Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Raymond Nkrumah Kgagudi wrote on your Wall... From: [email protected] To: [email protected] You sound just like many political novices I know in this movement. You sound like the people who brought Letlapa into power out of ignorance, arrogance and in disregard of the advices of so many seasoned revolutionaries (veterans) in this movement. What PAYCO and PASMA know about the defense of revolution after the mess you have done to the Party in defence of Letlapa, not PAC? As former member of PASO and AZANYU NECs, I am proud of our contribution as youth leaders of our time. We put PAC where it rightful belongs, at the centre stage of South African politics. What PAYCO and PASMA did, except destroying PAC through paying their allegances to a leader, not to PAC? I have no respect for such people. You still need to come forward and ask for forgiveness for your wrongdoings in the movement before you can start pointing fingers. The most damage incured by PAC under Letlapa leadership must be put squarely at the doorsteps of PAYCO and PASMA leaders, and no where else. Remember: PAM is the product of Letlapa and leaders of PAYCO and PASMA. I thought you knew that fact. Given time, I can remind your short memory. We must also remember, PAM is PAC-in-content. The current PAC is PAC-in-form, but not in content. The current PAC off-ramped from both the 1949 Programme of Action and the 1959 Pan Africanist Manifesto. Today, we have PAYCO and PACYL as PAC component structres. Is that not funny to you? Is that not showing degeneration of PAC? During our youth days, that could not happen. Remember, the youth and students, as the militant section of any party or society, play a crucial role in any political organsation, except in the current PAC. Why??? PAYCO and PASMA have the answer. Cunningham, remember what you said to me on our delayed flight from JHB to CT (about 11pm) after the historic NEC meeting (about your Grand plan with Letlapa). I was sobber on that day. Cde, my memory is still serving me well. Your plan was executed to its logical conclusion, according to the way you tabulated to me. I then wonder why you are also one of the people who are putting all the blame only to Letlapa for all what has happened to the PAC. When are you all (Cunningham, Ntonzima, Mashao, Siya, Tembeka, etc) going to take the blame too for all your mess? May be, cde, you were not aware you were briefing one of the victims. But, thanks for such valuable information from the opponent. This is not about revenge but honest to say, "I accept the blame. I was wrong". You are then in the right route to draw lessons from your mistakes and failures, so that you do not repeat them again. I do not see that with all former Letlapa cronies. They are still arrogant as ever. We were also wrong to be septical about the 1994 elections without the land question being resolved. We are not ashame to accept the bame for our misjudgement of the Apartheid regime's commitmet to the CODESA agreemets. We were too cautious. We saw the whole setup as a Dingaan's kraal. At least, as visionaries we envisaged the current politial setup in the "New" South Africa (problems of unresolved land question and transfer of economic power). We now have the neo-colonial state of the highest order, the modernized Mozerewa - type of arrangment. What a shame!!! Izwe Lethu! On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:38 PM, sello mafrika Tladi <[email protected]> wrote: Which capacities are you giving this advise to PAYCO both of you as PAC supporters or sympathisers.Last time we spoke to Raymond myself and PAYCO President he told us that he does not want to be associated with PAC youth wing PAYCO.How is DSM? Mabaso I hope you are not lost this PAYCO FORUM not of that ghost you formed with Thami.I refuse to call it with the name of revolutionary movement that was formed to defend revolution in occupied Azania. You used to be useful in the PAC but not today. counter revolutionaries will never chat a revolutionary way forward On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Chargein Mabaso <[email protected]> wrote: I agree with Nrumah. As Pan Africanists we have correct political line and ideology. Problem: rhetoric and vulgarizaton of Pan Africanism. Our main rival, the ruling party, mastered what Pan Africaists are very weak at doing: understanding and practicing political hegemony and the notion of "From the masses, to the masses..."(mass line). You may call it Stalinism, but it works. That's what kept and still keeps the ANC and other political parties in power. That's , political influence and control of the thinking of the whole society at large(workers, peasants, business people, professionals, academcs, clerics and atheists, cerebrities, sports people, pensioners, women, youth,students, etc). These are all the people who will either take us to or remove us from power depending on who has won their hearts and minds, not our members. If not, South Africa will be under the minority rule of a group of terrorists who can sieze power only through force of arms, not through international accepted democratic practices (popular votes). Cunningham and other Pan Africanists in NACTU owes us an explanation for their faiulre to do what is expected of them, just like Vavi and other trade union leaders. MDC is today a serious threat in Zimbabwe with its pro-West ideas because of unions under its apron strings. What is different between NACTU and other trade unions in the whole world? I still believe with the full support of influential unions and other formations of the civil society we can rule this country from tommorrow onward. I have not doubts. Let's just address address all our failures and weaknesses. And then go t the voters. Door-to-door campaign is what we inherited from Sobukwe and his cabinet. Arm-chair politics will continue keeping Pan Africanists out of power in South Afica. PAYCO group must be used only to refine our ideoogy; to iron out ideological strggles, not for rhetorics and complaining about ANC outperforming us in the election game. We must answer challenges facing the movement, such as : * Pan Africanism wthout Pan Africanists * Africanist Socalist Democracy v.s New Democracy in SA * United States of Africa or Unified Socialist Africa * United States of Africa without socalist States or socialists * Pan Afrcanism: Capitalism or Socialism? * Private planned or State planned economy * Malema's nationalisation : Capitalist or Socalist route? Difference?? * Return of land: How?? * Transfer of economic power: How?? * etc On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 12:31 PM, sello mafrika Tladi <[email protected]> wrote: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Facebook <[email protected] <mailto:notification%[email protected]> > Date: Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:18 PM Subject: Raymond Nkrumah Kgagudi wrote on your Wall... To: Sello M'Afrika <[email protected]> Raymond Nkrumah posted something on your Wall and wrote: "Rhetorical statements are not a solution and the serve no significant purpose but if you can start working within the masses, build and integrate the party within t community and workers' struggles then you will possess the stregnth and ability to condemn and effect the necessary revolutionary change within the occupied Azania and the African Continent. through organisation and a clear political theory we can liberate Africans from the current state of servitude, poverty and human degradation." 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