Joni!! Comrade you will be loughed at by revolutionaries. I have always advocated that PAC of today is infiltrated by comrades like you who were not braught well in the politics of PAC. Thats why we advocate the tendency of charterism within our current PAC. Your culture of engaging is taboo to the PAC. You have demostrated to everyone what kind of a comrade you are. Like Malema you need a political education on (PAC) politics and revolutionary dynamics. In simple terms you need to be taught Maoism on the "Struggle of the Jigsaw" partern. Save your embarasement and stop here with this issue. Comrades please help clarify the comrade. Like many in Payco you sound very much angry.
Peace amongst the Africans and war against the enemy!! Izwe lethu!!! ________________________________ From: Snow Mokgalabone <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 12:14:39 PM Subject: Re: [PAYCO] PAC leader joins ANC Mo-Africa If PAC today is a Liberation Movement, why participate in the so called Democratic South African Politics? Well the below mentioned theories are not new to me as you allege, to me you don't understand the practical formations that actualize these demarcations in reality. Son of the soil, the fact remains that the PAC of today does not assemble revolution nor prepared to be one. PAC today is a pure political party in action, it is only the history that makes the PAC a then revolutionary party and a ex-movement. What revolution are you engaging in today when today's PAC is part of the parliamentary system, when today's PAC is attempting to use names such as Youth League without looking at the historical reasoning behind the original naming. Is it revolutionary for today's PAC not to have a revolutionary programme? Is it revolutionary for the today's PAC to expel its veterans or members left right and center without proper disciplinary process? Your sudden lecture to me is attributed to irrelevant reasoning because I never challenged the historical stands of the then PAC. For a point even Sobukwe arose and participated largely in student politics like me and some of your friends if any. Please do not mention Sobukwe in the occurrences of today's PAC but rather quote today's PAC president and his allies. While I am enjoying a seat at the fence, what is different between the political activities of PAC, ID, UDM and IFP? All these are matching towards elections and parliamentary seats which says to me PAC is as well a political party that is influenced by constituency (voters) politics> Lastly tell this cyber platform at least three (3) revolutionary programmes of today's PAC in simple terms. Can I assume you only know the dictionary explanation of the word revolution? Thanks With Respect-Mohlomphegi Mphahlele On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele <[email protected]> wrote: Comrade Snow > >I wish I could not answer you on this comment. The reason being that you need >to be lectured on one thing or two. PAC is a liberation movement and not a >political party. We do not yet have a socialist democracy in which we can >participate as a political party. PAC does not advocate to a western >imperialist democracy as Mothopeng has said. We are for an Africanist >socialist democracy. As PAC we are still engaged in a Africanist revolutionary >struggle. Therefore any PAC member remains a revolutionary and is expected to >be such and to abide by the aoth of aligiancy of PAC. I further wish to >explain to you the different based on being "involved" and being "committed" >to the Africanist revolution. Revolutionaries are committed to a revolutionary >struggle. They are not mearly > envolved. For you to understand take an example of a (beacon and egg burger). > Here a chicken is involved and a pig committed (for a pig has to be killed) > in preparing a meal. The likes of Sobukwe rose beyond their mayopic selfish > personal interests and committed themselves to the Africanist cause. They had > to give up their socialite life for the sake of African People. A > revolutionary is not like a sailor. He is not involved in any adventurist > jeourny. A revolutionary is for and one thing only "A REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE". > So adventurist comrades like you must find a shortest way out of Africanist > Revolution while time permits. You are like fence sitters in PAC. It will be > hard for you to understand this. Sobukwe onced said students are not realible > revolutionaries, as they became revolutionaries at school and once they > complete their studies they become toothless stooges afters their schooling > term. A good example is Pasma comrades. How many of > them are still engaged in PAC cause after completing their studies? > >So comrade we are not in an adventurist tourists in PAC, we are >revolutionaries. To be a revolutionary you must rise beyond your selfish >interest. > >Izwe Lethu Joni!!! > > > > ________________________________ From: sonwabile fisa <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Wed, May 26, 2010 11:34:38 AM > >Subject: Re: [PAYCO] PAC leader joins ANC > > > >I quote "I can also say without any contradiction that some of the PAYCO >comrades once they are finished with destroying this movement will also join >ANC" > >Respecting your views, but I find it peculiar that you are calling PAYCO >members comrades whilst you are alleging that they are in a program to destroy >the organisation. > > >I suggest that as an observant and objective leader who is able and capable of >foreseeing potential catastrophic risks of this nature within the party you >doe something to mitigate them and to possible root out such behaviours. > > >It is imperative to note and respect the fact that individuals voluntarily >joined the party for reasons only know by them, it therefore becomes important >again to respect their resignations from the party if they feel that their >expectations or purposes have not been served. > >When tolerance levels reach zenith about the current long overdue squabbles >that are crippling the organisation, I’ll leave the party and for that I need >nobody’s approval and people can say what they want to say. > >As things stand now, you have a vast number of party members silently watching >and only concentrating on their careers or well-beings if you wanna put it >that way. > >If a ship is sailing, one needs both life jackets and life rafts to be able to >get to the next ship, but the above cant be correct for a ship that 3 quarters >down to the ocean. > >Labelling people as sell-outs from mere basis of resignation can’t be entirely >correct, however in an event where barbaric behaviours have prevailed, those >must be condemned and this should not only apply to members resigning but also >to those that are still within the party. > >If PAC as an organisation not as group of individuals who think are on the >right footage decide to rebuild itself, the foundation of that rebuilding >should comprise of honesty, realism, transparency, and non selfishness at >minimum. > >Whether who is right or wrong about bringing about unity and order in the >party, common grounds hand compromises have to prevail from all the groups >concerned. If not members must forget about unity. > > >Regards > >Soso >Fax #: 086 697 9605 >E-mail [email protected] >"We all die, our plan is not to live forever but to create something that will" >>Kwame Nkrumah > >--- On Mon, 5/24/10, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: [PAYCO] PAC leader joins ANC >>>>To: [email protected] >>Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 6:00 PM >> >> >>>> >> >>Ma Afrika!! >> >>The heading of this not so supprising news should read PAM and not PAC leader >>joins ANC. We who have anticipated this are not suprised by this comrade's >>move. I myself have always put this comrade under the league of the likes of >>Patricia Delile. I can also say without any contradiction that some of the >>PAYCO comrades once they are finished with destroying this movement will also >>join ANC. They are now still engage in a programme to destroy and destabilise >>this movement. Once their deeds are served they will be rewarded with >>positions in the African National Capitalist (ANC) organisation. So comrades >>how many of us are in the pipeline to join ANC? >> >>All I can say to the departing comrade is PLEASE RAISE HIGH THE PAN >>AFRICANIST IDEALS in your new found "home" >>Fairwell Qhawe La Maqhawe >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Hulisani Mmbara <[email protected]> >>To: PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP <[email protected]> >>Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 1:08:45 PM >>Subject: [PAYCO] PAC leader joins ANC >> >>>> >>PAC leader joins ANC >>http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article466670.ece/PAC-leader-joins-ANC >>>> >> >> >>________________________________ >>Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. 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