Hayi Mohlomphegi, Do not be mistaken comrade some of us have dealt with our anger and frustration regarding the current status quo in the party and that shows marturity and therapeutic enough. I understand that adults learn from experience as the youth learn by doing through mistakes but proper guidance and education and who do you associate with sometimes makes it much easier for one to rise above those mistakes. There is nothing wrong in people expressing their views, do not close spaces for open debate and dialogue around critical issues. You as a teenager perhaps challenged the power and authority your parents had but took full responsibility for your actions when reprimanded. Here our difference is around strategy and tactics when doing things nothing elase. Desperation for the call for unity can be problematic rather allow the process to unfold as may be we are at different levels of understanding the issues.
We must ask ourselves difficult questions regarding these unity talks and for me these questions should form the basis of that process. How did those calling for unity come to realise the need for unity? What is the situation at present in the party and why is that? What is the objective of these unity talks, what do we want to achieve from that process? Who is the process targeting? because if it leaves other voices outside then it defeats the purpose of unity. What message will it send internally and externally, is it about building image of the party something invisible because PAC has branded itself since its inception in 1959 and people can easily identify it, rebuilding is necessary. How will the unity message be sent, will it be through a conference etc. Who will monitor that things get implemented? A lesson to be learnt by all of us, use power in a very sensitive way, do not abuse it otherwise people will rise above it. Leadership allows voices to express themselves without any conditionalities or imposition for that matter ( its either you are for unity or without unity ). Nobody is against unity among Pan Africanists but the art of doing it is rather a concern for some of us. The call Africanist Convention was made by comrade Ngcukana last year immediately after elections after careful analysis of how PAC performed in the last National elections but Stalinist response became the order of the day from those with superiority. We observed many unity processes in AZAPO, SOPA, BPC in 2007 and that has yielded no good results but rather reinforced personal egoes and arrongance and reinstance the very same existance of Mosibudi Mangena leadership that further destroys AZAPO. T On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele < [email protected]> wrote: > Joni!! > > Comrade you will be loughed at by revolutionaries. I have always advocated > that PAC of today is infiltrated by comrades like you who were not braught > well in the politics of PAC. Thats why we advocate the tendency of > charterism within our current PAC. Your culture of engaging is taboo to the > PAC. You have demostrated to everyone what kind of a comrade you are. Like > Malema you need a political education on (PAC) politics and revolutionary > dynamics. In simple terms you need to be taught Maoism on the "Struggle of > the Jigsaw" partern. Save your embarasement and stop here with this issue. > Comrades please help clarify the comrade. Like many in Payco you sound very > much angry. > > Peace amongst the Africans and war against the enemy!! > > Izwe lethu!!! > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Snow Mokgalabone <[email protected]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Fri, May 28, 2010 12:14:39 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO] PAC leader joins ANC > > Mo-Africa > > If PAC today is a Liberation Movement, why participate in the so called > Democratic South African Politics? Well the below mentioned theories are not > new to me as you allege, to me you don't understand the practical formations > that actualize these demarcations in reality. Son of the soil, the fact > remains that the PAC of today does not assemble revolution nor prepared to > be one. PAC today is a pure political party in action, it is only the > history that makes the PAC a then revolutionary party and a ex-movement. > > What revolution are you engaging in today when today's PAC is part of the > parliamentary system, when today's PAC is attempting to use names such as > Youth League without looking at the historical reasoning behind the original > naming. Is it revolutionary for today's PAC not to have a revolutionary > programme? Is it revolutionary for the today's PAC to expel its veterans or > members left right and center without proper disciplinary process? > > Your sudden lecture to me is attributed to irrelevant reasoning because I > never challenged the historical stands of the then PAC. For a point even > Sobukwe arose and participated largely in student politics like me and some > of your friends if any. Please do not mention Sobukwe in the occurrences of > today's PAC but rather quote today's PAC president and his allies. > > While I am enjoying a seat at the fence, what is different between the > political activities of PAC, ID, UDM and IFP? All these are matching towards > elections and parliamentary seats which says to me PAC is as well a > political party that is influenced by constituency (voters) politics> > > Lastly tell this cyber platform at least three (3) revolutionary programmes > of today's PAC in simple terms. Can I assume you only know the dictionary > explanation of the word revolution? > > Thanks > > With Respect-Mohlomphegi Mphahlele > > > > > > On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 11:43 AM, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Comrade Snow >> >> I wish I could not answer you on this comment. The reason being that you >> need to be lectured on one thing or two. PAC is a liberation movement and >> not a political party. We do not yet have a socialist democracy in which we >> can participate as a political party. PAC does not advocate to a western >> imperialist democracy as Mothopeng has said. We are for an Africanist >> socialist democracy. As PAC we are still engaged in a Africanist >> revolutionary struggle. Therefore any PAC member remains a revolutionary and >> is expected to be such and to abide by the aoth of aligiancy of PAC. I >> further wish to explain to you the different based on being "involved" and >> being "committed" to the Africanist revolution. Revolutionaries are >> committed to a revolutionary struggle. They are not mearly envolved. For you >> to understand take an example of a (beacon and egg burger). Here a chicken >> is involved and a pig committed (for a pig has to be killed) in preparing a >> meal. The likes of Sobukwe rose beyond their mayopic selfish personal >> interests and committed themselves to the Africanist cause. They had to give >> up their socialite life for the sake of African People. A revolutionary is >> not like a sailor. He is not involved in any adventurist jeourny. A >> revolutionary is for and one thing only "A REVOLUTIONARY CHANGE". So >> adventurist comrades like you must find a shortest way out of Africanist >> Revolution while time permits. You are like fence sitters in PAC. It will be >> hard for you to understand this. Sobukwe onced said students are not >> realible revolutionaries, as they became revolutionaries at school and once >> they complete their studies they become toothless stooges afters their >> schooling term. A good example is Pasma comrades. How many of them are still >> engaged in PAC cause after completing their studies? >> >> So comrade we are not in an adventurist tourists in PAC, we are >> revolutionaries. To be a revolutionary you must rise beyond your selfish >> interest. >> >> Izwe Lethu Joni!!! >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* sonwabile fisa <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Wed, May 26, 2010 11:34:38 AM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [PAYCO] PAC leader joins ANC >> >> I quote "I can also say without any contradiction that some of the >> PAYCO comrades once they are finished with destroying this movement will >> also join ANC" >> >> >> Respecting your views, but I find it peculiar that you are calling PAYCO >> members comrades whilst you are alleging that they are in a program to >> destroy the organisation. >> >> >> >> >> >> I suggest that as an observant and objective leader who is able and >> capable of foreseeing potential catastrophic risks of this nature within the >> party you doe something to mitigate them and to possible root out such >> behaviours. >> >> >> >> >> >> It is imperative to note and respect the fact that individuals voluntarily >> joined the party for reasons only know by them, it therefore becomes >> important again to respect their resignations from the party if they feel >> that their expectations or purposes have not been served. >> >> >> >> When tolerance levels reach zenith about the current long overdue >> squabbles that are crippling the organisation, I’ll leave the party and for >> that I need nobody’s approval and people can say what they want to say. >> >> >> >> As things stand now, you have a vast number of party members silently >> watching and only concentrating on their careers or well-beings if you wanna >> put it that way. >> >> >> >> If a ship is sailing, one needs both life jackets and life rafts to be >> able to get to the next ship, but the above cant be correct for a ship that >> 3 quarters down to the ocean. >> >> >> >> Labelling people as sell-outs from mere basis of resignation can’t be >> entirely correct, however in an event where barbaric behaviours have >> prevailed, those must be condemned and this should not only apply to members >> resigning but also to those that are still within the party. >> >> >> >> If PAC as an organisation not as group of individuals who think are on the >> right footage decide to rebuild itself, the foundation of that rebuilding >> should comprise of honesty, realism, transparency, and non selfishness at >> minimum. >> >> >> >> Whether who is right or wrong about bringing about unity and order in the >> party, common grounds hand compromises have to prevail from all the groups >> concerned. If not members must forget about unity. >> >> >> Regards >> >> Soso >> Fax #: 086 697 9605 >> E-mail [email protected] >> "We all die, our plan is not to live forever but to create something that >> will" >> Kwame Nkrumah >> >> --- On *Mon, 5/24/10, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele <[email protected]>*wrote: >> >> >> From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] PAC leader joins ANC >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 6:00 PM >> >> Ma Afrika!! >> >> The heading of this not so supprising news should read PAM and not PAC >> leader joins ANC. We who have anticipated this are not suprised by this >> comrade's move. I myself have always put this comrade under the league of >> the likes of Patricia Delile. I can also say without any contradiction that >> some of the PAYCO comrades once they are finished with destroying this >> movement will also join ANC. They are now still engage in a programme to >> destroy and destabilise this movement. Once their deeds are served they will >> be rewarded with positions in the African National Capitalist (ANC) >> organisation. So comrades how many of us are in the pipeline to join ANC? >> >> All I can say to the departing comrade is PLEASE RAISE HIGH THE PAN >> AFRICANIST IDEALS in your new found "home" >> Fairwell Qhawe La Maqhawe >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Hulisani Mmbara <[email protected]> >> *To:* PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP PAYCO GOOGLE GROUP <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Mon, May 24, 2010 1:08:45 PM >> *Subject:* [PAYCO] PAC leader joins ANC >> >> PAC leader joins ANC >> http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/article466670.ece/PAC-leader-joins-ANC >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. 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