Afrikanists, Seemingly people have been waiting for an opportunity to express their long held views about the current PAYCO leadership, how I wish such views and interest in PAYCO were expressed during difficult times of parallel structures and "dis-ownership".
While its our mandate as individual PAC members to permeate and swell the ranks of community structures for the purpose of advancing an Afrikanist cause or agenda in such forums, we must ensure that we don't just drag the entire organisation, especially when there is no policy position. This as PAYCO Leadership we raise as a matter of principle. The matter of participating as a structure has to be properly managed so that history does not judge us harshly for opportunistically aligning ourselves, as a Structure (PAYCO), with enemy agents or campaigns that may tarnish our integrity. Therefore in principle we are not opposed to individual members projecting and representing Afrikanist views in such forums but organisationally or structurally we must rigorously engage a report from that individual member and then collectively decide on our participation or lack thereof. PAYCO President was simply providing leadership so that the organisation is not entangled or held to ransom by individual member's participation in such forums. Our individual desire to participate and therefore get recognition must not cloud our collective rationality and deter the organisation in its revolutionary pursuits. Izwe Lethu i-Afrika, Lest We Forget Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -----Original Message----- From: Nkrumah <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 09:30:09 To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Cc: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march MoAfrika Ndebele No NGO wil define and determine PAC nor PAYCO policy position such a task remains as an internal organisational-party matter. Not all NGO's are funded by western capitalist agencies, there are formations such as Abihlali Ba Se Mjondolo and also the former Iscor Workers NGO's and many other formations which are driven and led by genuine community and workers' leaders which as the party and also PAYCO can develop tactical political relationship. Party cadres will understand for long the party has been detached from daily struggles waged by communities and various community based organisation, now the conditions demand upon us to close and occupy the political space by being vocal and forming part of these struggles. Also, it is in these platforms that those funded by capitalist should be exposed and deprived space not to misleas and misinform the masses. The bottom line is cyber space militancy which lacks practical actions on ground serves no purpose. The only basis to build a vibrant PAYCO and the party is when political work is integrate with daily struggles of the African communities and workers. Absence of action creates a political space for other forces of either reaction and counter revolutionary to occupy, and this becomes a disservice to the party and also goes against the very slogan of PAYCO programme being " Ideolise, Organise and Take Over (IOTA)". I can only hope as PAYCO leadership, there will be a principled convergence of ideas on this matter. shango lasho Nkrumah Sent from Samsung tablet linda ndebele <[email protected]> wrote: >We would not allow NGO's to define our policy positions. These NGO's are >funded and propagate corporate agenda. PAC is not for sale. Why the so called >action must benefit NGO's not PAC. > >We are all involved in community activism but we don't see a need to blow our >own trumpet, but that has nothing to do with policy position. > >Policy positions of the PAC cannot be defined by western funded NGO's but by >the material conditions of our people >Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > >-----Original Message----- >From: "Cape " <[email protected]> >Sender: [email protected] >Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 08:09:53 >To: <[email protected]>; Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi<[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march > >Well said cde Ray, we cannot wait for the policy formulation before we act, >our primary duty as Pan Africanist is to participate to all community >structures and redirect them towards the pan africanist ideas. I have been >watchinng cdes criticised those who are in action but they do nothing. How so >wish that PAYCO can call an urgent congress, so that they can have series >policy formulation. It is my first time when you call yourself leadership but >you criticised those are in action. Whenthis forum was establish was to share >great ideas not critic the progress of others. > >Sello please go and rally masses and challenge the current system while other >are sitting back and watching progress. In na high tone note we are willing to >listen to the leadership of PAYCO, if they aligned themselves with the masses, >specificaly the youth of the PAC. The best solution is to call a Congress. > >I remain Pan Africanist > >------------------------- >On Wed, 7 Nov 2012 19:10:24 +0200 Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi wrote > > Comrades > > An attempt to defeat an advance which seeks to pursue a tactical line using >an argument that PAC or PAYCO has no policy on green energy or enegry >generation fails to appreciate a tactital position that can be attained. The >reason PAC and PAYCO continue to be unknown, is as a result of such fear >driven methods in some cases it public phobia methods whereat leaders and >members resort usage of lack of policy as the basis to justify inaction or >none-action. Surely with brains at the disposal of Payco this can be used as >a process to formulate a policy statement and campaigns worth to be >considered at the next PAYCO congress. > > Arguments advanced by Cde Lindi and Cde Sello surely do hold water thus >comrades should aim towards convergence of ideas, as Mao said let the 1000 >flowers blossom and thousand schools of thought contend, we cannot afford not >to act, and we cannot afford to sharpen contradictions and raise hostilities >among ourselves as comrades. > > I can only urge comrades to sieze the space and exploit it advancing a >tactical line and also use this occurance to formulate an energy generation >and water policy statement and campiagn on energy generation border-left: 1px >#ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">Comrade lack of party/payco policy on energy >is creating a vacuum in >propagatin' our position. I wil suggest to those cadres who have been >invited to ask themselves question what will payco achieve in this >regard? As i don't believe that payco should partake in this march >we've nothing to gain. > >On 11/6/12, linda ndebele wrote: >> There's no policy position I know on this issue in the PAC. When you >partake >> as PAYCO or PAC it should be founded on policy position of the party, when >> we represent the party in different platforms in reality we advance party >> policy position not ourselves and our individual views. We need to look at >> the pros & cons of the issue not mere excitement. Mandela made the decision >> to stop nuclear proliferation in SA out of excitement and to please the >> outside world, the consequences had devastating effects to the poor and >> working class in the form of exorbitant electricity prices and billions >> wasted maintaining nuclear infrastructure that no longer service society. >> >> I believe PAC government with its industrial strategy founded on >> fast-tracking economic emancipation and massive industrialization we cannot >> afford to dismiss nuclear energy completely. Of course we should also make >> radical steps to move to environmentally friendly renewable energy but we >> can't perform miracles, western powers who are major polluters must lead >the >> way, they can't have it both ways, proponents of renewable energy and keep >> nuclear energy. Africa's pollution is less than 1%, for me these campaigns >> are misplaced they must target western polluters. >> >> Let's look these issues from the correct political context informed by our >> socioeconomic challenges and standing in world politics. >> >> Linda >> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sello Tladi >> Sender: [email protected] [5] >> Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 14:47:15 >> To: >> Reply-To: [email protected] [7] >> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march >> >> Izwe Lethu! >> Comrade President,Iam expecting you as my political Principal to be more >> informed around the >> issues of Green politics Renewable energy a.We are not opposed to >> industrial development however we are opposed to the use of nuclear energy >> hence there are environmental friendly alternatives that could be >> used,Green Renewable Energy and solar are the alternative.We cannot allow >> the corporates and Western countries continue to use Nuclear energy that is >> polluting our environment and putting the lives of the working class at >> risk.The law of money making doesn't care for the laws of nature. >> >> Cde President should we keep quite when the Developed Capitalist countries >> are exporting the ecological crisis to Africa,by dumping toxic waste and >> establishing the most environmentally destructive industries in Africa. >> >> I will continue to PUSH this campaigns,as I sit in the Green Energy Forum >> on my capacity as PAYCO NEC Member and Community activist.There are future >> workshops planned to empower our constituencies around Green Politics >> (Environment/Energy).I >> Comrades around Soweto please contact me for transport. >> >> Sello Tladi >> PAYCO(NEC Member and National Spokesperson) >> 083 859 1654 >> >> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 1:56 AM, linda ndebele >> wrote: >> >>> ** >>> PAC would join the march on what basis? Is it a principled policy >>> position >>> or NGO opportunistic position? >>> >>> From a developing country that needs urgent boost on industrialization >>> and >>> massive need of energy resources, nuclear remains an important option. >>> >>> We just cannot join a bandwagon of western countries who are developed >>> and >>> used the very cheap nuclear energy to get where they are today. >>> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: * sello Tladi >>> *Sender: * [email protected] [10] >>> *Date: *Sun, 4 Nov 2012 01:38:14 -0800 >>> *To: * >>> *ReplyTo: * [email protected] [12] >>> *Subject: *[PAYCO] Fwd: Fw: PAC Joburg will join the march >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --- On *Sun, 11/4/12, lehlohonolo Shale >>> *wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: lehlohonolo Shale >>> Subject: PAC Joburg will join the march >>> To: [email protected] [15] >>> Date: Sunday, November 4, 2012, 11:30 AM >>> >>> >>> Dear Cde >>> >>> We are planning to participate in the march below. >>> >>> Regards >>> Hloni >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: file:///tmp/NuclearPamphlet_Front.jpg] >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sending your posting to [email protected] [16] >>> >>> Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] [17] >>> >>> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco [18] >>> >>> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com [19] >>> >>> -- >>> Sending your posting to [email protected] [20] >>> >>> Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] [21] >>> >>> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco [22] >>> >>> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com [23] >>> >> >> -- >> Sending your posting to [email protected] [24] >> >> Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] [25] >> >> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco [26] >> >> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com [27] >> >> -- >> Sending your posting to [email protected] [28] >> >> Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] [29] >> >> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco [30] >> >> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com [31] >> > >-- >Sending your posting to [email protected] [32] > >Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] [33] > >You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco [34] > >Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com [35] > > -- >Sending your posting to [email protected] > >Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] > >You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco [36] > >Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > >Links: >------ >[1] mailto:[email protected] >[2] mailto:[email protected] >[3] mailto:[email protected] >[4] mailto:[email protected] >[5] mailto:[email protected] >[6] mailto:[email protected] >[7] mailto:[email protected] >[8] mailto:[email protected] >[9] mailto:[email protected] >[10] mailto:[email protected] >[11] mailto:[email protected] >[12] mailto:[email protected] >[13] mailto:[email protected] >[14] mailto:[email protected] >[15] mailto:[email protected] >[16] mailto:[email protected] >[17] mailto:[email protected] >[18] http://groups.google.com/group/payco >[19] http://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >[20] mailto:[email protected] >[21] mailto:[email protected] >[22] http://groups.google.com/group/payco >[23] http://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >[24] mailto:[email protected] >[25] mailto:[email protected] >[26] http://groups.google.com/group/payco >[27] http://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >[28] mailto:[email protected] >[29] mailto:[email protected] >[30] http://groups.google.com/group/payco >[31] http://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >[32] mailto:[email protected] >[33] mailto:[email protected] >[34] http://groups.google.com/group/payco >[35] http://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >[36] http://groups.google.com/group/payco > > >____________________________________________________________ >South Africas premier free email service - www.webmail.co.za > >For super low premiums, click here. >http://www.dialdirect.co.za/landing/oct/1/?vdn=15752 > >-- >Sending your posting to [email protected] > >Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] > >You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > >Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com > >-- >Sending your posting to [email protected] > >Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] > >You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco > >Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to [email protected] Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to [email protected] Unsubscribe by sending an email to [email protected] You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
