Izwe lethu M'Afrika
While I share the same sentiments with those advanced by comrade Linda, one dimension which we tend to omit is that we adopt a generalist approach and place all under the same political line, pertain the state of the party. Indeed, we should take collective blame however PAC is faced with a two line ideological struggle hence there is a refusal for an inclusive national conference. Therefore, a great amount of work is needed before the evil influence of the bourgeois reactionary line can be eradicated. The bourgeois reactionary line has its social basis which is mainly in the comprador bourgeoisie. The erroneous line has a certain audience inside the Party, because there exist the handful of persons inside the Party who are in power and are taking the capitalist road, and who regard this erroneous line as their protective talisman; and because there are still a considerable number of muddle-headed people inside the Party whose world outlook has not been remoulded or has not been effectively remoulded. A process is required for these comrades to return from the erroneous line to the correct line. Distinctions should be made among those who have committed errors of line. Those (there are only one, two or several persons) who have put forward the erroneous line should be distinguished from those who have put it into effect; those (these are a minority) who have consciously implemented the erroneous line should be distinguished from those (there is a large number of these) who have done it unconsciously; we should differentiate between those who have put it into practice to a serious extent and those to a not so serious extent; differentiate between those who cling to their mistakes and those who are willing to correct them and are already in the process of doing so. Generally speaking, the contradictions between those comrades who committed errors of line on the one hand and the Party and the masses on the other are still contradictions among the people. Provided that they can correct their errors, return to the correct stand and carry out the Party's correct line, it is not only possible for them to become cadres of the second category [comparatively good] or of the third category [those who have made serious mistakes but have not become anti-Party, anti-socialist Rightists], it is also possible for them to develop into cadres of the first category [good]. Nevertheless, these comrades must be sharply told that no matter who they are, and no matter how great their past achievements, if they cling to the erroneous line, the nature of the contradictions between them and the Party and the masses will change; the non-antagonistic contradictions then may become antagonistic contradictions and they will slide down the anti-Party and anti-socialist road. The mark distinguishing rectification of errors from stubborn adherence to them is the attitude towards the masses and whether they have publicly admitted before the masses that they have carried out the erroneous line; whether they have made serious efforts to reverse the decisions passed on those of the revolutionary masses who have been branded as "counter-revolutionaries," "anti-Party elements," "Rightists," "pseudo-Leftists but genuine Rightists"; and whether they have publicly rehabilitated them and support the revolutionary actions of the revolutionary masses. Shango lashu Nkrumah From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Ndebele Sent: 04 September 2014 10:55 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com; linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za; ad...@pac.org.za; wgaj...@gmail.com; rammymfulw...@gmail.com; richardma...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; isaa...@diplomat-global.com; i...@bataufc.com; lea...@hotmail.com; phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; s...@pac.org.za; smollzo...@gmail.com; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; dud...@webmail.co.za; digashuma...@gmail.com; dmalo...@klerksdorp.org; goqwana.san...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Greetings comrades, Indeed our belovered movement is in crisis. The challenge is that we are in a denial mode. Those who are in control of levers of power hold a view that all is in order because they are in power and it will augur negatively if they accept that the party is getting weaker each day under their guard. Those who are outside of power, we hold a view that the party is in crisis, we don't blame ourselves but those in power. In isizulu we say "Inkombankombane, lowo nalowo uvikela ihlo lakhe". What makes one not to see the light at the end of the tunnel, is that out of all these discussions we hardly find a convergence point in terms of the wayforward. Neither side presents any concrete plan and steps to rescue the party from the quagmire it finds itself. There has been two interesting calls made that have not been entertained to this end. 1. The holding of an all-inclusive Conference (whose aim would be to reconcile different factions, look at the state of the party and devise strategies and decisions that can resuscitate the PAC) 2. The call for a National Programme of Action (whose purpose would be to marshal our efforts and gear PAC for state power). I am quite certain comrades that hailing insults to each other and refusing to take collective responsibility to the current state of the party will not help our movement anyhow but will continue to discourage and demoralize our die-hard members and drive in droves young supporters to EFF and other political parties. Leaders who must take PAC forward are those who are prepared to take ownership to the mess PAC find itself and invite all to assist in cleaning up our movement. We need leaders who would be hands-on, selfless and who can rise above the problem. I believe PAC can be rescued only if we accept that we are in crisis, we all contributed to it and we need everybody's shoulder on the deck to get our movement out of this mess. Izwe lethu! 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po...@yahoo.com <mailto:po...@yahoo.com%3cpo...@yahoo.com> <po...@yahoo.com>; celenjabulo...@gmail.com <mailto:celenjabulo...@gmail.com%3ccelenjabulo...@gmail.com> <celenjabulo...@gmail.com>; njabulo.m...@gmail.com <mailto:njabulo.m...@gmail.com%3cnjabulo.m...@gmail.com> <njabulo.m...@gmail.com>; vu...@telkomsa.net <mailto:vu...@telkomsa.net%3cvu...@telkomsa.net> <vu...@telkomsa.net>; dumisani...@gmail.com <mailto:dumisani...@gmail.com%3cdumisani...@gmail.com> <dumisani...@gmail.com> ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Morning Cde. Raymond I think it is now clear that up and above the feuding NEC you have an individual in the form of an S.G who thinks he wilds a wisdom above all others. By the way you are talking about a so called board room or office bound NEC which operates somewhere in a building in Joburg which can hardly pull one revolutionary programme. In terms of the history of the PAC you maybe sitting with an SG who has performed worse than any other S.G at any given. The SG went to several media houses claiming the PAC is ready to govern and the elections results suggest something else. Any revolutionary leader must be a person whom when time calls for serious introspection and checks and balances he does so to assist the party not his/her self righteousness attitude/mentality. Relying only on a conference which will have bussed and ghost branches wont assist the party in anyway. Take the Birchwood Conference I am told there were bussed delegates who never participated in discussions and some were drinking alcohol as they were there for an outing. For me arguing endlessly with this so called NEC powers it is a waste of time and the lesser we talk about this SG the better it is. The truth is since the Butterworth Congress the PAC was never in politics and hence its silence in the political activities of the country. I don't blame the SG because if people who work with him attend meetings to discuss people and suspensions and expulsions and then call that progress in the party tough luck for PAC members and its future. Personally I hate people who like claiming things that don't exist and for me to suggest the party has developed capacity to operate behind enemy lines is cheap and weak revolutionary theory to say the least. There is only one lesson we can draw from this post Butterworth NEC and that is when we approach the leadership issue we must all be sober and be serious about it. I think the reason why the PAC was successful from its inception it was mainly due to the facts I raised above and they elected office President and SG and put the leadership which had what it takes to build a revolutionary party. It is more than 24 months since we had an NEC but al what we are consuming is a blame game. I have enough years in PAC to simply see what works and what wont work. You can have Cde Moloto for the next 100 years there as an SG all you are going to have is cheap manipulation, disorder, weekly suspensions and poor performance of PAC at all levels of party operations. In short it does not matter how right he says things will remain the same. Izwe Lethu! On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:10 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: Izwe lethu M'Afrika Comrade Linda, the attached documents, once more confirms the question you raised. But the task facing all of us, it is to salvage the PAC from complete obliteration waged by the feuding 'NEC'. Founding leaders of PAC are turning in their graves! Shango lashu Nkrumah ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Admin @ Pac" <ad...@pac.org.za> Date: 02 Sep 2014 3:44 PM Subject: attack on party annual conference To: "Admin @ Pac" <ad...@pac.org.za>, <wgaj...@gmail.com>, < rammymfulw...@gmail.com>, <richardma...@yahoo.com>, < river.mla...@telkomsa.net>, <ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za>, < takalaniligeg...@gmail.com>, <tumimod...@hotmail.co.za>, < tyamza...@yahoo.com>, <tnta...@webmail.co.za>, <isaa...@diplomat-global.com>, <i...@bataufc.com>, <lea...@hotmail.com>, <phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com>, < p...@vodamail.co.za>, "Cape" <paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>, < pasmapresid...@gmail.com>, <pactshwanereg...@gmail.com>, < pacmogalec...@gmail.com>, <pac.nc...@gmail.com>, < phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za>, <pacaza...@webmail.co.za>, "Narius Moloto" < s...@pac.org.za>, <smollzo...@gmail.com>, <sndam...@pac-cape.org.za>, < sbusiso.x...@gmail.com>, <dud...@webmail.co.za>, <digashuma...@gmail.com>, "Delano Maloney" <dmalo...@klerksdorp.org>, <goqwana.san...@gmail.com>, < hlubi.so...@gmail.com>, <joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com>, <jntab...@gmail.com>, <kutie.thondl...@gmail.com>, "Lekgathi" <0825164...@vodamail.co.za>, < lucasmmol...@gmail.com>, <znyam...@gmail.com>, <billiard.s...@gmail.com>, < bulanng...@gmail.com>, <bennet_j...@yahoo.com>, "bulelanim1718" < bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com>, <ndhlo...@pac.org.za>, < nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com>, <nnyq...@gmail.com>, "Michael Muendane" < m...@soultalk.co.za>, <mapulankoan...@gmail.com>, <mvakalijust...@gmail.com>, <mbind...@gmail.com>, <mrfihl...@gmail.com>, "Mohlomphegi Mphahlele" < mphah...@eskom.co.za>, <malingeplaat...@yahoo.com>, <mphothobej...@yahoo.com>, <mokoen...@workmail.co.za>, <moshemahlom...@gmail.com>, "Pinkie Monyane" < monyanepin...@gmail.com>, <mop...@pac.org.za>, <mnd...@yahoo.com>, < po...@yahoo.com>, <celenjabulo...@gmail.com> Cc: <njabulo.m...@gmail.com>, <vu...@telkomsa.net>, < river.mla...@telkomsa.net>, <tnta...@webmail.co.za> Izwe Lethu Please find the attached for your attention. 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