Comrades, People who are genuine about the unity of the Party are not concerned about having unity talks with PAM. Currently, there are ongoing unity talks between PAM and PAC in Eastern Cape and Western Cape. The recent unity talk between PAM and PAC led to PAM members invited to attend yesterday's reburrial in Lady Frere of PAC cadre who died in exile. The reburial was addressed, among others, by PAC President Mphethi, comrade Makwetu, and Teenage Nyhontso. Unity of PAC and PAM was emphasized at reburial by all speakers.
It must be noted that not all members of both PAC and PAM want unity of two parties for different reeasons best known to them. It must be also noted that many PAM members are skeptical about these unity talks because of our past experience with some PAC membes. I personally survived many assassination attempts in the process. We are taking a serious risk about these talks having that in our subconscious mind because of love for PAC. Our love for PAC may blind us to fall in a trap of finding ourselves one day in Dingane's kraal. That is why we treat this talks as a minefield. We are not prepared to rejoin PAC as individuals. We left PAC not as individuals. If our position is not acceptable to PAC, we are willing to end the talks before we enter to unholy marriage of convimience. PAM can survive on its own in SA politics. EFF proved many skeptics wrong in this regards. PAM can do it too. Izwe Lethu! ---------- Sent from my Nokia phone ------Original message------ From: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> To: "Mbulelo Raymond" <mrfihl...@gmail.com> Cc: <isa...@diplomatsa.co.za>,"Johnson Mlambo" <river.mla...@telkomsa.net>,<tyamza...@yahoo.com>,<po...@yahoo.com>,"david mabitsela" <mabitselada...@gmail.com>,<pasmapresid...@gmail.com>,<joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com>,<pacmogalec...@gmail.com>,<bulanng...@gmail.com>,<znyam...@gmail.com>,<tumimod...@hotmail.co.za>,<payco@googlegroups.com>,<takalaniligeg...@gmail.com>,"Mapula Nkoana" <mapulankoan...@gmail.com>,<sndam...@pac-cape.org.za>,"Malesela Mogashwa" <icuworkersun...@gmail.com>,<phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za>,<pacaza...@webmail.co.za>,<patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za>,<dud...@webmail.co.za>,<pac.nc...@gmail.com>,<pactshwanereg...@gmail.com>,"Mbuyiselo Kantso" <mbuyigan...@yahoo.com>,<nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com>,<mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com>,<p...@vodamail.co.za>,<d...@pac.org.za>,<ic...@telkomsa.net>,<richardma...@yahoo.com>,<sbusiso.x...@gmail.com>,<mbind...@gmail.com>,<tnta...@webmail.co.za>,<jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com>,<paroot...@yahoo.com>,<ntsiemohl...@gmail.com>,"Vusi Mahlangu" <vemahla...@gmail.com>,<dumisani...@gmail.com>,"Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" <nrkgag...@gmail.com> Date: Monday, September 8, 2014 12:57:48 PM GMT+0200 Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action M’Afrika Fihla We should not fall victim of pulling barriers by design or default which possesses the potential to arrest any and all forward movement to unite and rebuild the PAC. If comrades agree to return and re-join PAC, they complete PAC membership forms as individual persons! Some of the comrades in PAM argue they were coerced out of PAC! Some advance ideological reasons to explain their movement to PAM! While others were Nicodemiously suspended and expelled un-constitutionally! The notion “we have joined the PAC as individuals and not as groups” cannot necessarily apply if we focus on the merits and demerits of what compelled some if not most former PAC comrades to PAM. If we can reconcile and unite with those who have done the worse damage and erosion of PAC politically and organisationally, these characters are also forming and fuelling feuding in the PAC, why can’t we close ranks with former PAC comrades in PAM? And it can’t be refuted that PAM is a PAC splinter group, hence the logic of their inclusion in the party unification process. Addressing your question directly, I know Charge-in has been consistent in Payco google group and has demonstrated keen interested on the resolution of PAC Affairs hence the proposal, if it’s not Charge-in, then it can any comrade from PAM, who shall play the role to draw PAM comrades into the fold, the thrust is PAC Must Unite and Advance its Revolutionary Pan Africanist Agenda. If you are not comfortable with Charge-in, then you can recommend any comrade! What is Supreme is to Achieve The Principled Unity and RE-Organisation of PAC! Shango lashu Nkrumah From: Mbulelo Raymond [mailto:mrfihl...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 September 2014 12:19 PM To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi Cc: isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; Johnson Mlambo; tyamza...@yahoo.com; po...@yahoo.com; david mabitsela; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; znyam...@gmail.com; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; payco@googlegroups.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; Mapula Nkoana; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; Malesela Mogashwa; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; Mbuyiselo Kantso; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; ic...@telkomsa.net; richardma...@yahoo.com; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action Son of the soil, I have no problem with position. My concern is the language used. It is wrong to say add Chargein on behalf of PAM. Everything we say and do here is on behalf of the PAC and no other political grouping. I was at a certain point, expelled by Mphahlele and I seized the earliest opportunity to be back in the fold of the PAC once Mphahlele was out. Why then must Chargein be involved on behalf of PAM. Again, we have joined the PAC as individuals and not as groups. Members of PAM can rejoin the PAC as individuals and not as a PAM group. This is what I am concerned about Poqo. Fihla On 08 Sep 2014 10:40 AM, "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: Izwe lethu M’Afrika Our understanding of practical actions that must be undertaken to salvage PAC implies that we should forge principled unity by identifying and drawing all those who held and continue to hold PAC membership into one political roof. What will be the rational of excluding former PAC members who formed PAM? If Comrades were keen to draw Don Mattera, Pitiki ka Ntuli and some leaders who publicly resigned from PAC active politics and leadership roles, why exclude PAC? Shangu lashu Nkrumah From: Mbulelo Raymond [mailto:mrfihl...@gmail.com] Sent: 06 September 2014 07:23 PM To: Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi Cc: Malesela Mogashwa; po...@yahoo.com; tyamza...@yahoo.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; david mabitsela; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; znyam...@gmail.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; Mapula Nkoana; sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; dud...@webmail.co.za; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; Mbuyiselo Kantso; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; p...@vodamail.co.za; d...@pac.org.za; ic...@telkomsa.net; richardma...@yahoo.com; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za Subject: RE: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action Is PAM involved in PAC matters? I do not agree with this one. On 05 Sep 2014 2:37 PM, "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: Add Charge-in on behalf of PAM! From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Ndebele Sent: 05 September 2014 02:31 PM To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Cc: Mbuyiselo Kantso; payco@googlegroups.com; d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; 'Mapula Nkoana'; 'david mabitsela'; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com Subject: [PAYCO] Re: focused practical action Comrades, The only way of making this work is to commit and honour promises we make. If we schedule a meeting, everyone who said will attend must be there and spend the duration of the meeting. Its hightime we make PAC priority. We must stop this thing of making promises and send apologies on an eleventh hour. The process plan with clear milestones has to be in place to ensure that we achieve what we seek to achieve. This might look insignificant but its these small things that have been setting PAC aback. Izwe lethu! Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! _____ From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 12:45:03 +0200 To: <kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za> Cc: Mbuyiselo Kantso<mbuyigan...@yahoo.com>; <payco@googlegroups.com>; <d...@pac.org.za>; <richardma...@yahoo.com>; <takalaniligeg...@gmail.com>; <isa...@diplomatsa.co.za>; <dud...@webmail.co.za>; <joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com>; <znyam...@gmail.com>; <bulanng...@gmail.com>; <nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com>; <mrfihl...@gmail.com>; <mbind...@gmail.com>; 'Mapula Nkoana'<mapulankoan...@gmail.com>; 'david mabitsela'<mabitselada...@gmail.com>; <mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com>; <river.mla...@telkomsa.net>; <tumimod...@hotmail.co.za>; <tyamza...@yahoo.com>; <tnta...@webmail.co.za>; <icuworkersun...@gmail.com>; <ic...@telkomsa.net>; <p...@vodamail.co.za>; <phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za>; <po...@yahoo.com>; <pacmogalec...@gmail.com>; <pactshwanereg...@gmail.com>; <pacaza...@webmail.co.za>; <pac.nc...@gmail.com>; <pasmapresid...@gmail.com>; <patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za>; <sbusiso.x...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: focused practical action from our side in the Western Cape, the majority branches has mandated the PEC to do the work. I will ensure that they (PEC) communicate with all PECs (that include the parallel structures). On your side please talk to your RECs/PECs to be supportive and come on board. As Cde Kgagudi said that initial meeting of all these leaders must decide on the Mediation Team and Plan of Action. Myself (Ndamane), Kgagudi, Ndebele, Gantsu, Fihla let us assist this process to ensure it does rollout and all relevant interest groups and structures are on board. iAfrika On 2014-09-05 12:18, Linda Ndebele wrote: Comrades, The critical question now is who will bell the cat? Who will convene the mediation team? Who should form part of mediation team? How would the whole exercise be financed? How do we get buy-in from all factions? Linda Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! _____ From: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 11:37:33 +0200 To: Mbuyiselo Kantso<mbuyigan...@yahoo.com> Cc: <payco@googlegroups.com>; <kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za>; <d...@pac.org.za>; <richardma...@yahoo.com>; <takalaniligeg...@gmail.com>; <isa...@diplomatsa.co.za>; <dud...@webmail.co.za>; <joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com>; <znyam...@gmail.com>; <bulanng...@gmail.com>; <nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com>; <mrfihl...@gmail.com>; <mbind...@gmail.com>; 'Mapula Nkoana'<mapulankoan...@gmail.com>; 'david mabitsela'<mabitselada...@gmail.com>; <mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com>; <river.mla...@telkomsa.net>; <tumimod...@hotmail.co.za>; <tyamza...@yahoo.com>; <tnta...@webmail.co.za>; <icuworkersun...@gmail.com>; <ic...@telkomsa.net>; <p...@vodamail.co.za>; <phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za>; <po...@yahoo.com>; <pacmogalec...@gmail.com>; <pactshwanereg...@gmail.com>; <pacaza...@webmail.co.za>; <pac.nc...@gmail.com>; <pasmapresid...@gmail.com>; <patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za>; <sbusiso.x...@gmail.com>; <sap...@gmail.com>; <digashuma...@gmail.com>; 'sandla goqwana'<goqwana.san...@gmail.com>; <hoteli...@iburst.co.za>; <hlubi.so...@gmail.com>; <kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com>; <lea...@hotmail.com>; <limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za>; <legalu...@sacwu.co.za>; <celenjabulo...@gmail.com>; <nnyq...@gmail.com>; <nufbw...@wbs.co.za>; 'Alton Mphethi'<altonmphe...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: focused practical action Comrade Mbuyi, I do understand the Constitutionality as Cde Moloto is saying the PAC is due for Annual National Conference but the reality dictates otherwise; * September 2013 there was a Birchwood PAC Conference, the NEC introduced to delegates co-opted NEC members to name the few for the position of National Chairperson: Cde Raymond Fihla; Deputy President: Cde Ngila Muendane and others * the Conference rejected these appointments and resolved that Cde Mphethi is affirmed as President having resolved that Cde Mphahlele did not appeal his expulsion following internal processes; and further resolved that those NEC members who sided with Cde Mphahlele be invited back to the NEC, then Cde Mphethi reshuffle NEC and appoint 5 members based on their expertise into the NEC as per the Constitution. * the NEC did not invite the other NEC members, Mphethi did not reshuffle NEC instead he reinstated those appointments that were rejected by the Conference using the resolution that allowed him to appoint 5 members into the NEC based on their expertise * fast-forward to 2014: Cde Moloto wrote a communique complaining of NEC members [deprtmental secretariat] doing nothing; the legal costs, office rentals, staff payments are on his pocket * Cdes Narius and Mphethi have a disagreement over the R200 000 Election Registration Fee that was paid back by the IEC * Cde Mphethi went to his Deputy Muendane over this disagreement * Cde Narius wrote to Cde Muendane telling him he is no-longer a Deputy President because he was appointed wrongly not following Conference resolutions, [what is interesting here is that Moloto did not write to Fihla telling him the same] * In July Cde Moloto wrote a communique saying the NEC is below 30% quorum * All those co-option that were made by Cde Mphethi disappeared ONLY two remained Fihla & Muendane {though Muendane was told he was appointed wrongly}, Mphethi co-opted Pasika Nontshiza as Acting National Organizer and Cde Mapule Nkoana as Acting Finance Secretary - - - NEC had problem with the appointments especially with Notshiza, that did not sit well with Mphethi * 26 - 27 July there was an extended NEC meeting where Cde Mphethi invoked Decree 3 times keep on reversing it, * 30 July Mphethi invoke a Decree * letters are flying in all directions from Mphethi & Narius - justifying a Decree and dismissing a Decree; suspending each other at the end Mphethi claim that Narius is expelled * This whole saga of a Decree is on Mphethi and Narius Lawyers respectively; * that takes us to LEGAL ISSUES - up to date PAC has spent beyond R1 million just on Cde Mphahlele case, there is a pending appeals case schedule to court on 12 November 2014; the current state of legal letters flying between Cde Mphethi and Moloto will lead straight to court where PAC is expected to foot another bill over this matter . . . * So we are sinking deeper over a matter that could have been resolved Politically. The narration above is just a tip of the chaotic state of the organization - there is more. Then how are we taking ourselves out of this ? If the Letlapa expulsion took more than a year with more than R1 million and physical division of structures and yet it is not completely resolved as it goes to court . . . now Mphethi who took over from Letlapa is also facing similar situation of being rejected by his own NEC and Moloto a Secretary General who admits in signed writing that the NEC is below 30% threshold and is being purported to be expelled by Mphethi who is the President but his NEC is saying is no-longer a President, that by implications means Ngila Muendane is the Acting President, this is the acting President whom the Conference reversed his appointment as a Deputy President and the SG wrote to telling him he is not a Deputy because of wrong appointment . . . Is this not an extraodinary abnormality in the organization? How an NEC that could not constitute itself be in a position to say Constitution ! [by the way the September Conference in Bloemfontein is going to be a Congress as the wishes of the certain grouping within the NEC; the Secretary General has written communiques justifying the need to go to Congress citing disfunctionality of NEC, absence of finances to run the organization] It is important therefore to normalize things in the organization . . . the route that we put on the table that let there be a meeting that will find-way to extract the organization out of this chaotic state is important, the NEC has proven that it does not have the capacity resolve this on their own . . .this has affected the political life of the organization therefore rushing to the Conference to elect leaders won't solve the deeper sitting problem. I invite those in the NEC to take a lead and say 'lets find an everlasting solution to our problems' ! iAfrika On 2014-09-05 09:53, Mbuyiselo Kantso wrote: Comrades Cdes Linda, Siya, Ndima, Fihla and others I think lets do our best to find a way out after the further submission by Cde Raymond. For now we must reach out to our comrades to constitutionality and reality. I read some letters from the SG which some indicate to constitutional obligations which I agree with him. The only issue now is to face reality and use the same constitution to go out of a crisis and rather not selectively use it to entrench an on going crisis. In the all governments vocabulary they call it doing checks and balances which means checking how far the laws, acts and regulations of the country can salvage any unwarranted situation. When times call for change and reforms we must do so in manner that shows forward thinking and pragmatism. When the ZANLA forces in Zimbabwe mounted a front near Mozambique they needed a leader to lead them closure and I think that was the beginning of Robert Mugabe assuming the high moral control of ZANU because other leaders did not the need as soldiers saw it on the ground. Ours require a quick response hence suggestions from different comrades. On Friday, September 5, 2014 9:09 AM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: Izwe lethu 1. The proposal to form a mediation team is worth consideration; 2. Mediation team should develop a party unification strategy and campaign which should entail:- a. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should reconstitute through mediation team; b. Re-establish PAC Head office and re-organise party administration; c. The July 2012 Butterworth Congress elected NEC should account to PAC branches and members; d. All parallel structures from regions to provincial structures including APLAMVA and PAYCO should be dissolved; e. Inclusive structures should be formed from regions to provincial; f. Constitutional structures mainly branches should be organised; g. Mediation team should furthermore oversee convening an inclusive national conference and national congress of PAC; There many comrades not involved in the feuding, who can be drawned from PAC, AZANYU, PASO and PASMA Shango lashu Nkrumah From: Mbuyiselo Kantso [mailto:mbuyigan...@yahoo.com] Sent: 05 September 2014 08:28 AM To: sndam...@pac-cape.org.za; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Cc: d...@pac.org.za; richardma...@yahoo.com; takalaniligeg...@gmail.com; isa...@diplomatsa.co.za; dud...@webmail.co.za; joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com; znyam...@gmail.com; bulanng...@gmail.com; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; mrfihl...@gmail.com; mbind...@gmail.com; Mapula Nkoana; david mabitsela; mangalisomdhl...@gmail.com; river.mla...@telkomsa.net; tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; tyamza...@yahoo.com; tnta...@webmail.co.za; icuworkersun...@gmail.com; ic...@telkomsa.net; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; po...@yahoo.com; pacmogalec...@gmail.com; payco@googlegroups.com; pactshwanereg...@gmail.com; pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pac.nc...@gmail.com; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; sap...@gmail.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; sandla goqwana; hoteli...@iburst.co.za; hlubi.so...@gmail.com; kidi.bolelw...@gmail.com; lea...@hotmail.com; limpopo.ad...@tawusa.org.za; legalu...@sacwu.co.za; celenjabulo...@gmail.com; nnyq...@gmail.com; nufbw...@wbs.co.za; Nkrumah; Alton Mphethi Subject: Re: focused practical action Izwe Lethu Cdes. I think just to reinforce your points Cde Siya what will assist the process faster is the following; 1.The NEC as elected in Butterworth must reconstitute either on their own or under a very matured mediation team. 2. Then the comrades must then agree without fail that the NEC they belong to did not make it and as such they must forge a way forward or set up a process to hand over the party to the members. 3. This will include the collapsing or ending of all court cases. 4. They must organise a PAC conference not a convention just to avoid a gathering with no constitutional status and then members can propose for an earlier elective congress knowing that there is no longer an NEC left.. 5. To address Cde. Fihla's concerns on the how part it is our duty to tell those whom we identify with closely as elected in Butterworth to assist the process as we see it. 6. It is unavoidable that the reports of the President and the Secretary General are likely to raise party problems and challenges like discipline, parallels, lack of programmes and whatever will be presented must be accepted except for aspects which maybe divisive. 7. Then we can establish a congress preparatory committee that will deal with all administrative matters needed for a successful congress. Lastly my view is that when we finalise find a consensus beyond these pity issues then we must try hard to encourage a constructive engagement on future leadership and if we lucky there must a consensus on at least key important positions that requires a highly matured future leadership. Izwe Lethu On Thursday, September 4, 2014 5:32 PM, "sndam...@pac-cape.org.za" <sndam...@pac-cape.org.za> wrote: Comrades, Let us organize our branches and they must identify positively with the possible corrective measures to save the PAC. In each Region/ Province there must be people who will take the responsibility to ensure this work is done. At the National level there must be an all-inclusive meeting of leaders from all provinces to engage on best possible roadmap to save the organization. Having agreed on the Roadmap, then a All-inclusive Pan Africanist Conference/Convention, then Annual National Conference of PAC (focus on Policies, Program of Action, etc), then an electing PAC Annual National Conference (Congress). . .this can be rollout over the period of 12 - 18 months. * all-inclusive meeting of leaders from all provinces - Sept 2014 * All-inclusive Pan Africanist Conference/Convention - Dec 2014 * Annual National Conference of PAC (Policies, Program of Action, etc) - June 2015 * electing PAC Annual National Conference (Congress) - Dec 2015 This can only work if we can be practical . . . iAfrika From: "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" <nrkgag...@gmail.com> M’Afrika Comrade Linda, Comrade and Comrade Charge-in and all, from words to action, are comrades willing to mobilise fellow comrades-branches and form part of an open and inclusive meeting to consider all options including those proposed by Cde Linda? We must bring into one pot all initiatives to create one common action plan to salvage the PAC! The disintegration of PAC must be arrested! Shango lashu NKrumah On 2014-09-04 11:18, sndam...@pac-cape.org.za wrote: Inkathazo abaselulawulweni bathi ayikho ingxaki . . .noba izibonakalela nje ! The two calls you mentioned are supported by many of us . . .what is needed though is to ensure that this call is endorsed and supported by our structures where we belong and those structures has to be open about that. . .Let our structures in our branches, regions and provinces come out to officially pronounce and demand that to be done. It is our duty in all our regions to mobilize structures into this call and those structures can take a particular stance . . .in doing so we ought to understand that not everyone nor every structure will agree, it is the challenge that we have to deal with to ensure that the majority of structures in our regions buys into this call then that can be the official branch, regional and provincial position supported by the majority branches. Anything less than the majority support for this call is the prolonged chaos as we see. . . The mobilization of structures into this call needs leadership, we need to give that leadership on the ground otherwise lets forget we will forever talk with no progress. iAfrika On 2014-09-04 10:54, Linda Ndebele wrote: Greetings comrades, Indeed our belovered movement is in crisis. The challenge is that we are in a denial mode. Those who are in control of levers of power hold a view that all is in order because they are in power and it will augur negatively if they accept that the party is getting weaker each day under their guard. Those who are outside of power, we hold a view that the party is in crisis, we don't blame ourselves but those in power. In isizulu we say "Inkombankombane, lowo nalowo uvikela ihlo lakhe". What makes one not to see the light at the end of the tunnel, is that out of all these discussions we hardly find a convergence point in terms of the wayforward. Neither side presents any concrete plan and steps to rescue the party from the quagmire it finds itself. There has been two interesting calls made that have not been entertained to this end. 1. The holding of an all-inclusive Conference (whose aim would be to reconcile different factions, look at the state of the party and devise strategies and decisions that can resuscitate the PAC) 2. The call for a National Programme of Action (whose purpose would be to marshal our efforts and gear PAC for state power). I am quite certain comrades that hailing insults to each other and refusing to take collective responsibility to the current state of the party will not help our movement anyhow but will continue to discourage and demoralize our die-hard members and drive in droves young supporters to EFF and other political parties. Leaders who must take PAC forward are those who are prepared to take ownership to the mess PAC find itself and invite all to assist in cleaning up our movement. We need leaders who would be hands-on, selfless and who can rise above the problem. I believe PAC can be rescued only if we accept that we are in crisis, we all contributed to it and we need everybody's shoulder on the deck to get our movement out of this mess. Izwe lethu! Linda Kwame Ndebele Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! From: "'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress" <payco@googlegroups.com> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 23:41:17 -0700 To: mailto:payco@googlegroups.com%3cpa...@googlegroups.com>; mailto:linda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za%3clinda.ndeb...@newcastle.gov.za>; mailto:ad...@pac.org.za%3cad...@pac.org.za>; mailto:wgaj...@gmail.com%3cwgaj...@gmail.com>; mailto:rammymfulw...@gmail.com%3crammymfulw...@gmail.com>; mailto:richardma...@yahoo.com%3crichardma...@yahoo.com>; mailto:river.mla...@telkomsa.net%3criver.mla...@telkomsa.net>; mailto:ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za%3cramotw...@maruleng.gov.za>; mailto:takalaniligeg...@gmail.com%3ctakalaniligeg...@gmail.com>; mailto:tumimod...@hotmail.co.za%3ctumimod...@hotmail.co.za>; mailto:tyamza...@yahoo.com%3ctyamza...@yahoo.com>; mailto:tnta...@webmail.co.za%3ctnta...@webmail.co.za>; mailto:isaa...@diplomat-global.com%3cisaa...@diplomat-global.com>; mailto:i...@bataufc.com%3ci...@bataufc.com>; mailto:lea...@hotmail.com%3clea...@hotmail.com>; mailto:phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com%3cphillipdhlam...@yahoo.com>; mailto:p...@vodamail.co.za%3cp...@vodamail.co.za>; mailto:paccapeme...@webmail.co.za%3cpaccapeme...@webmail.co.za>; mailto:pasmapresid...@gmail.com%3cpasmapresid...@gmail.com>; mailto:pactshwanereg...@gmail.com%3cpactshwanereg...@gmail.com>; mailto:pacmogalec...@gmail.com%3cpacmogalec...@gmail.com>; mailto:pac.nc...@gmail.com%3cpac.nc...@gmail.com>; mailto:phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za%3cphumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za>; mailto:pacaza...@webmail.co.za%3cpacaza...@webmail.co.za>; mailto:s...@pac.org.za%3...@pac.org.za>; mailto:smollzo...@gmail.com%3csmollzo...@gmail.com>; mailto:sndam...@pac-cape.org.za%3csndam...@pac-cape.org.za>; mailto:sbusiso.x...@gmail.com%3csbusiso.x...@gmail.com>; mailto:dud...@webmail.co.za%3cdud...@webmail.co.za>; mailto:digashuma...@gmail.com%3cdigashuma...@gmail.com>; mailto:dmalo...@klerksdorp.org%3cdmalo...@klerksdorp.org>; mailto:goqwana.san...@gmail.com%3cgoqwana.san...@gmail.com>; mailto:hlubi.so...@gmail.com%3chlubi.so...@gmail.com>; mailto:joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com%3cjoseph.maqhek...@sasol.com>; mailto:jntab...@gmail.com%3cjntab...@gmail.com>; mailto:kutie.thondl...@gmail.com%3ckutie.thondl...@gmail.com>; 'L Lekgwathi'<0825164...@vodamail.co.za>; mailto:lucasmmol...@gmail.com%3clucasmmol...@gmail.com>; mailto:znyam...@gmail.com%3cznyam...@gmail.com>; mailto:billiard.s...@gmail.com%3cbilliard.s...@gmail.com>; mailto:bulanng...@gmail.com%3cbulanng...@gmail.com>; mailto:bennet_j...@yahoo.com%3cbennet_j...@yahoo.com>; mailto:bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com%3cbulelanim1...@nokiamail.com>; mailto:ndhlo...@pac.org.za%3cndhlo...@pac.org.za>; 'Nakaphala Bauba'<nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com>; mailto:nnyq...@gmail.com%3cnnyq...@gmail.com>; mailto:m...@soultalk.co.za%3cm...@soultalk.co.za>; mailto:mapulankoan...@gmail.com%3cmapulankoan...@gmail.com>; mailto:mvakalijust...@gmail.com%3cmvakalijust...@gmail.com>; mailto:mbind...@gmail.com%3cmbind...@gmail.com>; mailto:mrfihl...@gmail.com%3cmrfihl...@gmail.com>; mailto:mphah...@eskom.co.za%3cmphah...@eskom.co.za>; mailto:malingeplaat...@yahoo.com%3cmalingeplaat...@yahoo.com>; mailto:mphothobej...@yahoo.com%3cmphothobej...@yahoo.com>; mailto:mokoen...@workmail.co.za%3cmokoen...@workmail.co.za>; mailto:moshemahlom...@gmail.com%3cmoshemahlom...@gmail.com>; mailto:monyanepin...@gmail.com%3cmonyanepin...@gmail.com>; mailto:mop...@pac.org.za%3cmop...@pac.org.za>; mailto:mnd...@yahoo.com%3cmnd...@yahoo.com>; mailto:po...@yahoo.com%3cpo...@yahoo.com>; mailto:celenjabulo...@gmail.com%3ccelenjabulo...@gmail.com>; mailto:njabulo.m...@gmail.com%3cnjabulo.m...@gmail.com>; mailto:vu...@telkomsa.net%3cvu...@telkomsa.net>; mailto:dumisani...@gmail.com%3cdumisani...@gmail.com> ReplyTo: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] FW: attack on party annual conference Morning Cde. Raymond I think it is now clear that up and above the feuding NEC you have an individual in the form of an S.G who thinks he wilds a wisdom above all others. By the way you are talking about a so called board room or office bound NEC which operates somewhere in a building in Joburg which can hardly pull one revolutionary programme. In terms of the history of the PAC you maybe sitting with an SG who has performed worse than any other S.G at any given. The SG went to several media houses claiming the PAC is ready to govern and the elections results suggest something else. Any revolutionary leader must be a person whom when time calls for serious introspection and checks and balances he does so to assist the party not his/her self righteousness attitude/mentality. Relying only on a conference which will have bussed and ghost branches wont assist the party in anyway. Take the Birchwood Conference I am told there were bussed delegates who never participated in discussions and some were drinking alcohol as they were there for an outing. For me arguing endlessly with this so called NEC powers it is a waste of time and the lesser we talk about this SG the better it is. The truth is since the Butterworth Congress the PAC was never in politics and hence its silence in the political activities of the country. I don't blame the SG because if people who work with him attend meetings to discuss people and suspensions and expulsions and then call that progress in the party tough luck for PAC members and its future. Personally I hate people who like claiming things that don't exist and for me to suggest the party has developed capacity to operate behind enemy lines is cheap and weak revolutionary theory to say the least. There is only one lesson we can draw from this post Butterworth NEC and that is when we approach the leadership issue we must all be sober and be serious about it. I think the reason why the PAC was successful from its inception it was mainly due to the facts I raised above and they elected office President and SG and put the leadership which had what it takes to build a revolutionary party. It is more than 24 months since we had an NEC but al what we are consuming is a blame game. I have enough years in PAC to simply see what works and what wont work. You can have Cde Moloto for the next 100 years there as an SG all you are going to have is cheap manipulation, disorder, weekly suspensions and poor performance of PAC at all levels of party operations. In short it does not matter how right he says things will remain the same. Izwe Lethu! On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:10 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote: Izwe lethu M'Afrika Comrade Linda, the attached documents, once more confirms the question you raised. But the task facing all of us, it is to salvage the PAC from complete obliteration waged by the feuding 'NEC'. Founding leaders of PAC are turning in their graves! Shango lashu Nkrumah ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Admin @ Pac" <ad...@pac.org.za> Date: 02 Sep 2014 3:44 PM Subject: attack on party annual conference To: "Admin @ Pac" <ad...@pac.org.za>, <wgaj...@gmail.com>, < rammymfulw...@gmail.com>, <richardma...@yahoo.com>, < river.mla...@telkomsa.net>, <ramotw...@maruleng.gov.za>, < takalaniligeg...@gmail.com>, <tumimod...@hotmail.co.za>, < tyamza...@yahoo.com>, <tnta...@webmail.co.za>, <isaa...@diplomat-global.com>, <i...@bataufc.com>, <lea...@hotmail.com>, <phillipdhlam...@yahoo.com>, < p...@vodamail.co.za>, "Cape" <paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>, < pasmapresid...@gmail.com>, <pactshwanereg...@gmail.com>, < pacmogalec...@gmail.com>, <pac.nc...@gmail.com>, < phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za>, <pacaza...@webmail.co.za>, "Narius Moloto" < s...@pac.org.za>, <smollzo...@gmail.com>, <sndam...@pac-cape.org.za>, < sbusiso.x...@gmail.com>, <dud...@webmail.co.za>, <digashuma...@gmail.com>, "Delano Maloney" <dmalo...@klerksdorp.org>, <goqwana.san...@gmail.com>, < hlubi.so...@gmail.com>, <joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com>, <jntab...@gmail.com>, <kutie.thondl...@gmail.com>, "Lekgathi" <0825164...@vodamail.co.za>, < lucasmmol...@gmail.com>, <znyam...@gmail.com>, <billiard.s...@gmail.com>, < bulanng...@gmail.com>, <bennet_j...@yahoo.com>, "bulelanim1718" < bulelanim1...@nokiamail.com>, <ndhlo...@pac.org.za>, < nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com>, <nnyq...@gmail.com>, "Michael Muendane" < m...@soultalk.co.za>, <mapulankoan...@gmail.com>, <mvakalijust...@gmail.com>, <mbind...@gmail.com>, <mrfihl...@gmail.com>, "Mohlomphegi Mphahlele" < mphah...@eskom.co.za>, <malingeplaat...@yahoo.com>, <mphothobej...@yahoo.com>, <mokoen...@workmail.co.za>, <moshemahlom...@gmail.com>, "Pinkie Monyane" < monyanepin...@gmail.com>, <mop...@pac.org.za>, <mnd...@yahoo.com>, < po...@yahoo.com>, <celenjabulo...@gmail.com> Cc: <njabulo.m...@gmail.com>, <vu...@telkomsa.net>, < river.mla...@telkomsa.net>, <tnta...@webmail.co.za> Izwe Lethu Please find the attached for your attention. 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