I am not a spokesperson of Moloto NEC Grouping. I am not familiar with composition of Moloto NEC Grouping. So I am not privy to the information that you are seeking from me.
One thing I know is that my obsessions (the decree) cannot stay in the books of the PAC; with all its Secucratic tendencies that only magnify centralism in the concept of Democratic Centralism. Democratic Centralism remains the best sponsorship model for a revolutionary party; which is fueled by ideas. It is effective in screening ideas. It can never be associated with dictatorship and individualism fueled by personal cults manifesting themselves in the Party. What I know is that I lobby for strengthening of internal democracy (not limited to merely voting) and the creation of mechanism to search for true desires of the Party members. If that succeed in next conference then superb. If our views do not win the day; we will be back in the next conference with a refined argument. I hope we will then move to the issues (ideas) instead of sticking to this personality issues like the Moloto NEC Groupings or Dlamini NEC Groups etc. Izwe lethu; On Sep 10, 2014 12:25 PM, "Tongogara Ndima" <ndimatongog...@gmail.com> wrote: > Comrade Xaba > > We request that, may you then share with us, how will the 2014 Moloto NEC > Grouping Bloemfontein Conference resolves the infighting and parallel > structures in the PAC? Because the 2013 Birchwood National Conference has > totally failed to unite and start with party re-building programme! > > And second question, why do not you start putting your efforts to unite > PAC branches and members in Gauteng first! Cde Muendane used the words of > PAC Chairman John Nyathi Pokela when he said One of the greatest leaders > of this organisation, Nyathi Pokela, is on record as having said that if we > go to a conference divided, we shall come out of it even more divided. > > As soon as Ama-Aforika receive your reply, then I believe they will > repsonce to your views to persuade you and Tshwane Branches. > > Izwe lethu! > Sdima > > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Sbusiso Xaba <sbusiso.x...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Nothing has blinded me, including what you call my presidential ambition. >> >> I am still going (if delegated) or will be represented by my branch >> delegate to the Annual National Conference called by NEC. We will not be >> prevented by any decree. Those that think that we must not attend Annual >> Conference, should make the effort and convince us. >> >> We are going to conference not blinded but extremely clear about our >> recommendations to conference. We hope to persuade and convince other >> branches on the removal of the decree, transparency in decision making, >> clarity in roles and on public officers. >> >> Regards, >> >> Sbusiso Xaba >> On Sep 9, 2014 9:09 AM, "Tongogara Ndima" <ndimatongog...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Comrade Xaba >>> >>> We have not seen any form of you being harassed, I ask you is basic and >>> straight forward question. Your Presidential ambitions has blurred your >>> judgement, nonetheless good luck! >>> >>> Regards >>> Ndima >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 6:57 AM, Sbusiso Xaba <sbusiso.x...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> It is nice to hide behind high emotional loaded language. Especially, >>>> when wanting to blackmail or intimidate. I will entertain neither emotional >>>> blackmail nor attempted intimidation. We are not much interested in >>>> personality cults either. >>>> >>>> Where are these many branches, You're talking about, Ndima? Branches >>>> that only told you? Why those branches have not attempted to persuade >>>> Tshwane and branches in Tshwane (no matter the number )? Engage us >>>> structural. those who have engage us found us persuadable and persuading. >>>> >>>> The view of Tshwane is unwavering. On the issues that should top the >>>> agenda of the conference. Yes, Bloemfontein Conference and other Annual >>>> Conferences that would follow in coming years. We are not married to our >>>> proposal or recommended solutions. We will subordinate our ideas to >>>> superior ideas and we expect other members and branches to do so. We are >>>> sure that the Party must subdue self interest to its interest. >>>> >>>> We are under no illusion about the state of the Party, which is not the >>>> new state. Same state prevailing since the sixties. We do not expect a >>>> perfect Annual Conferences. Nevertheless, we make our small contribution. >>>> >>>> I must say this in closing, Tshwane passionately hates the decree. We >>>> are not reasonable on the owners of the decree. Decree is our enemy. It is >>>> unconstitutional not only in it application but its existence. It continue >>>> to manifest itself as the biggest threat to the party. Therefore, we will >>>> never recognise it. We are moving for transparent decision making, clarity >>>> of roles and structure seconding members not individual (including >>>> individual office bearer) - this is democratic centralism not dictatorship >>>> labeled democratic centralism. >>>> >>>> Revolutionary regards, >>>> >>>> Sbusiso Xaba >>>> On Sep 8, 2014 4:52 PM, "'Mbuyiselo Kantso' via Pan Africanist Youth >>>> Congress" <payco@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Comrade Ndima >>>>> >>>>> Since the unbanning of the PAC I have never come cross the PAC being >>>>> in this pathetic state of affairs especially towards congresses. Even if >>>>> there were differences in structures and NEC itself our congresses showed >>>>> maturity of members and NEC towards them. Any normal human beings >>>>> especially leading a party like PAC they will know that first you cannot >>>>> organise a conference when there is no presidency and other elected NEC >>>>> members attending. On the other hand the SG is an expelled member under >>>>> the >>>>> decree by his own confirmed and once regularly paraded president in the >>>>> name of comrade Mphethi. >>>>> >>>>> On the 7th March 2014 he Narius Moloto went to court on two issues and >>>>> that was first to ask the court to declare Mphethi as the party leader and >>>>> Mbuyiswa Gantsu to be replaced by Narius Moloto as authorised person in >>>>> the >>>>> IEC. Today their once touted President has invoked the decree they are so >>>>> embarrassed that he Moloto cant take it instead he fills he is above >>>>> everyone but I understand humiliation he is going through. >>>>> >>>>> Any self-respecting branch, region or structure will never attempt to >>>>> associate itself with such an arrangement. We as the Sedibeng/Vaal Region >>>>> will never even entertain anything about the so called Bloemfontein >>>>> Conference. Comrade Mlambo told us that during the launch of the two >>>>> manifestos prior elections he sent Cde, Letlapa and Narius asking them >>>>> that >>>>> he suggest the launches must not be done separately. He said Cde Teenage >>>>> told him that he appreciate the request but he think it came too late. >>>>> Then >>>>> he sent Cde Narius text him asking if the request was from him and when >>>>> Cde >>>>> Mlambo confirmed it was him Cde Narius just ignored him. >>>>> >>>>> But like I said it will be unfair to blame Cde Narius for all this >>>>> mess but rather blame those who see logic and find sense in this chaos. >>>>> It >>>>> is not surprising when you see the behaviour of other comrades because >>>>> even >>>>> when the Gauteng Provincial Conference was organised you could laugh your >>>>> stomach out, if you hear how things were done and how it was dismissed by >>>>> the same people who organised it. The same comrades who are attending >>>>> these >>>>> kind of gatherings they hope they will use a crisis to emerge as leaders >>>>> and it wont work. >>>>> >>>>> Just like the Birchwood Conference whether you are a member in good >>>>> standing or not or a new member or a ghost all will be accepted as long >>>>> as the people can fill the attendance register that will go in court >>>>> papers >>>>> for the November appeal. In short it will be all those who will attend >>>>> such >>>>> a conference no matter how small who will be carrying the crusade high not >>>>> the SG. So let them close their ears and eyes and attend what is theirs >>>>> and >>>>> we continue to explore stabilising the party beyond the jamboree!!!!! >>>>> >>>>> IZWE LETHU! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, September 8, 2014 3:02 PM, Tongogara Ndima < >>>>> ndimatongog...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Comrade Sbusiso Xaba >>>>> >>>>> Does this mean, you insist those few branches in Tshwane Region are >>>>> going ahead to attend Moloto (Less than Five) NEC Members grouping >>>>> Bloemfontein September Conference. When your peers in the PAC are raising >>>>> the notion that PAC cannot afford parallel and conflicting events which >>>>> fuels feuding and weakens the PAC? Are you arrogantly saying to all of us >>>>> PAC Branches and Members who want a united and focused PAC we are insane? >>>>> >>>>> It was not long that Comrade Linda Ndebele wrote the following:- Allow >>>>> me to quote Lembede comrades for motivation purposes >>>>> " The philosophy of action must be the corner-stone of our >>>>> policy....In our ranks we have men and women of high talent and ability. >>>>> Our poor, disorderly position is not accasioned by lack of talent, but (a) >>>>> by lack of scientific organisation and utilisation of that talent, (b) by >>>>> lack of will-power. Africans! Our salvation lies in hard and systematic >>>>> work!" Anton Lembede writing on Umthetheleli wa Bantu. >>>>> >>>>> What are you going to loose if Tshwane Region joins many other >>>>> branches and members who will not be attending the Moloto (Less than Five) >>>>> NEC Members grouping Bloemfontein September Conference? >>>>> >>>>> It is high time we must put the interests of PAC above our personal >>>>> interests, Ma-aforika! >>>>> >>>>> Izwe-lethu >>>>> Ndima >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 8:07 AM, <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Comrades >>>>> >>>>> Removal of Clause 14 (Democratic Centtralism) is suicidal. This is >>>>> clause encompasses democratic centralism and collective leadership >>>>> intended >>>>> to uproot factionalism and ensure unity and cohesion. Its violation does >>>>> not warrant its removal from Disciplinary Code. >>>>> >>>>> Comrades should remember annual confereces do not adopt amendments but >>>>> make recommendations to the supreme organ (highest decision making) of the >>>>> Party - the National Congress- for adoption. Failing which, such >>>>> amendments are unconstitutional, invalid and illegal >>>>> >>>>> Izwe Lethu! >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Nokia phone >>>>> >>>>> ------Original message------ >>>>> From: Sbusiso Xaba <sbusiso.x...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: <payco@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Date: Sunday, September 7, 2014 1:55:50 PM GMT+0200 >>>>> Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: Submission of Resolutions for the National >>>>> Conference >>>>> >>>>> Tshwane lobbies your support. In the coming conference. >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: "Sbusiso Xaba" <sbusiso.x...@gmail.com> >>>>> Date: Aug 4, 2014 10:10 PM >>>>> Subject: Submission of Resolutions for the National Conference >>>>> To: "Narius Moloto" <s...@pac.org.za>, "DSG @ PAC" <d...@pac.org.za> >>>>> Cc: "Admin @ Pac" <ad...@pac.org.za>, "Tumediso Modise" < >>>>> tumimod...@hotmail.co.za>, "mashao reuben" <mashao.reu...@gmail.com>, >>>>> "Lekgathi" <0825164...@vodamail.co.za>, "Albert Mokoena" < >>>>> mokoen...@workmail.co.za> >>>>> >>>>> Dear Secretary General >>>>> >>>>> In response to the updated conference notice dated 01 August 2014, the >>>>> Tshwane Region hereby submit the proposed resolution for the Annual >>>>> National Conference of 26 - 28 September 2014. The region submits two >>>>> discussion documents (proposed resolutions) namely *Delegation of >>>>> Authority >>>>> Code* and* Public Office Secondment Code*. The region believes that the >>>>> lack of regulations around this area is main source of conflict. >>>>> >>>>> Furthermore, the Tshwane Region hereby adds an agenda point:* removal >>>>> of >>>>> democratic centralism section (clause 14) of the disciplinary code*. >>>>> The >>>>> region believes that this clause can be replaced be a new code such as >>>>> the >>>>> delegation of authority code. >>>>> >>>>> Revolutionary regards, >>>>> >>>>> Sbusiso Xaba >>>>> Tshwane Regional Chairman >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >>>>> >>>>> Visit our website at http://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com/ >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to mailto:payco%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>> <payco%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >>>>> >>>>> Visit our website at http://www.mayihlome.wordpress.com/ >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to mailto:payco%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>> <payco%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >>>>> >>>>> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >>>>> >>>>> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco >>>> >>>> Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com >>>> >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. 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