Yes, Dana, that's it in a nutshell. Kevin E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana S. Leslie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 2:24 AM Subject: Re: Kevin: On the fly, another question
> Yardbird, > > Pardon me for jumping in, but I think your problem is that you're > misunderstanding what Kevin is telling you. correct me if I'm wrong, Kevin, > but my understanding is that the intermediate stage of writing an image > file to disk is NOT intended to correct/prevent errors that result from > flaws on the source disk. Rather, it is intended to provide an opportunity > to correct errors that were introduced in the transcription process, from > source to destination, before these errors get permanently written to CD, > thus producing an expensive coaster. Do I have it right, Kevin. > > Blessed Be, > > Dana > > D. S. Leslie, n�e C. R. Guttman > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > �E OL' PHILOSOPHIE SHOPPE > Your Source for Discounted Ideas > http://members.cox.net/dsleslie2/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Yardbird" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 9:36 PM > Subject: Re: Kevin: On the fly, another question > > > > What I'm asking is, how does the intermediate stage of having this image > > written to disk improve accuracy? that is all I've been trying to ask by > > what I've said. If the music CD from which you're ripping tracks has > > flaws > > that would distort the sound or introduce noises (I don't believe you mean > > the pops and clicks that plague LPs, really, do you?), then how does this > > intermediate step help protect against winding up with a noisy .mp3 file? > > I > > don't know what you mean by asking rhetorircally why the developer would > > include this stage as an option. I honestly don't know what's > > accomplished > > with this. If it doesn't give the program a chance to clean up errors, > > then > > what good does it do? I am *not* speaking sarcastically. I'm really > > asking.being > > > > Do you think I'm questioning the wisdom of the program writers who include > > this option? No, not at all. I'm not anywhere near being able to address > > something like that. I honestly just don't see how making an intermediate > > copy is going to prevent you from getting bad sound from a damaged CD. I > > mean, what is done along the way to remedy a bad CD? You're saying > > nothing > > is done? Do you see what I'm not getting? I don't know how else to > > phrase > > it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:04 PM > > Subject: Re: Kevin: On the fly, another question > > > > > > No Joel. > > > > Once an image is created it's not going to be able to go back and clean up > > any imperfections. My point is that the creation of the image itself > > allows > > the ripper to separate the processes. If you're ripping on the fly you > > won't get an image file at all because the encoding is being done on the > > data stream as it leaves the CD-ROM. > > > > You really only need ask yourself a very simple question as to whether you > > want to use on the fly or not. Do you think that developers put this flag > > in just to slow you down when ripping or burning? The developer obviously > > wants their program to rip and burn at the maximum speed and quality so > > why > > would they build in a feature who's only purpose would be to slow you > > down? > > > > It's pretty obvious I think that the trade off is that you forgo some > > quality for speed and so it's really a personal choice. > > > > > > Kevin > > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Yardbird" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[email protected]> > > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 6:17 PM > > Subject: Re: Kevin: On the fly, another question > > > > > >> Kevin, > >> > >> You mean that when you have flaws on an audio CD, once they get written > >> to > >> an image file on disc, the encoding process is less likely to pick up the > >> flaws, somehow, as it creates the compressed file? > >> appy----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 10:05 AM > >> Subject: Re: Kevin: On the fly, another question > >> > >> > >> Hi Daniel. > >> > >> It's not that flaws at source can be fixed just because you've unchecked > > the > >> "on the fly" checkbox. If there are flaws on the CD then they will cause > >> issues whether you rip on the fly or not. > >> > >> The point I'm not making very well is that by breaking down a complex > >> process involving the extraction and conversion of data from a spinning > >> disc, there are less chances of issues arising if the process is instead > >> broken down into a number of discreet steps. Specifically, separating > >> the > >> process of reading the disc to extract all audio information before any > >> conversion to MP3 is done using an encoder that is applying complex > >> algorithms to the data to assess what it thinks can be disregarded and > > what > >> it thinks needs to be retained to fulfil high quality sound reproduction. > >> > >> Hope that's clearer. > >> > >> Kevin > >> E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Yardbird" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 5:26 PM > >> Subject: Re: Kevin: On the fly, another question > >> > >> > >> > kevin, > >> > I don't quite understand. If you aren't offered the opportunity to > >> correct > >> > an error yourself, then are you implying that somehow, during this two > >> step > >> > process, errors from a damanged or flawed CD nonetheless do get > > corrected > >> > for before they're written to .mp3 from the image? Only without your > >> > intercession? Is that it? Otherwise,I don't understand how the > > two-step > >> > process ensures that flaws in the audio CD source don't get written to > >> .mp3. > >> > Is my question clearer now? > >> > > >> > Thanks. > >> > elps m isk e3tween > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Kevin Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <[email protected]> > >> > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 8:40 AM > >> > Subject: Re: Kevin: On the fly, another question > >> > > >> > > >> > No, it won't detect potential errors and allow you to stop, continue or > >> fix > >> > in situ. By creating the image you are breaking down the tasks > > associated > >> > with ripping so that you extract in one step to your hard drive and > >> > then > >> > convert from there. When on the fly you extract and convert in a > >> > single > >> > step. It is for this reason alone that you are likely to have less > >> > risk > >> of > >> > imperfections when ripping to an image first. > >> > > >> > Regards. > >> > > >> > Kevin > >> > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Yardbird" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: "PC-Audio" <[email protected]> > >> > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 4:31 PM > >> > Subject: Kevin: On the fly, another question > >> > > >> > > >> > > Kevin, > >> > > Let's say I use the method of ripping that involves writing a file or > >> > image > >> > > to disk and then ripping from that, the method you prefer for its > >> > prudence. > >> > > Okay. So what if a CD I'm ripping tracks from turns out to have the > >> kinds > >> > > of flaws that elicit this "jitter" error report and mean that you'll > >> wind > >> > up > >> > > with a messed-up .mp3 copy? In what way does this method actually > >> provide > >> > > protection? Does it stop the process at some point, notify you that > >> > there's > >> > > a flaw, and offer the option to correct it by clicking on something? > > Or > >> > if > >> > > not that, what? > >> > > > >> > > Thanks. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -- > >> > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> > > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.1.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005 > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > >> > > http://www.pc-audio.org > >> > > > >> > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > >> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > >> > http://www.pc-audio.org > >> > > >> > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. > >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.1.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.1.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005 > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > >> > http://www.pc-audio.org > >> > > >> > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > >> http://www.pc-audio.org > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this outgoing message. > >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >> Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005 > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > >> http://www.pc-audio.org > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > > http://www.pc-audio.org > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005 > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 5/27/2005 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > > http://www.pc-audio.org > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... > http://www.pc-audio.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________ PC-Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
