Dane and all, I see the argument both ways. Many people prefer the way surround sound envelopes the listener. However some folks prefer the way stereo replicates the way most music was intended to sound. There is always a hybrid as well. We have a small den in the lower level of our house. I used a few odds and ends to be able to stream music )via airplay) from my iPhone or iPad. I have output from an airport express plumbed into an old Audio Source amp with four speaker outputs. Two on the left side channel and two on the right side channel. With two speaks in front of me and two behind it does a reasonably good job at enveloping the listener in sound given the small room size but it is still just 2 channel stereo. I was playing some old Kiss songs on it yesterday and you can really hear the stereo effects they used when one channel is playing then the other comes in. I think the lead guitar was on one channel and the bass and drums came in on the other. Frank
-----Original Message----- From: Pc-audio [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 7:59 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: listen to music in surround sound If you like listening to music through a surround-sound system with a DSP effect then fine! and you're underlining the point that an audiophile is making, you're listening to music in a way that wasn't normally intended for it to be listened to so the argument then goes that - because of the extra artificial effect applied by the DSP - you're not able to fully appreciate the purity of the music, quality of the music etc that you would otherwise experience from a better quality 2 channel system. There are exceptions to the rule of course and I'm talking here of quad recordings or SACD etc but again these are not very common and aren't in mainstream music recordings, you don't see Quad FM nowadays or you don't see SACD recordings in large numbers at your local record shops. On 27 May 2014, at 9:40 am, Gary Wood <[email protected]> wrote: > Well John, I also find music in surround sound preferable than just stereo > for the reasons you mentioned, for the enveloping quality of music done that > way. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Gurd" <[email protected]> > To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 5:16 PM > Subject: RE: listen to music in surround sound > > >> I often listen to music in surround sound effect for the sheer >> enveloping fun of it even though there can be a little loss in >> quality. I have a fairly old but very good home theatre set up with >> Bours & Wilkins media wall speakers and a Linn Sizmik subwoofer with >> an Arcam AV600 receiver. Although stereo sounds more dynamic and >> accurate I often listen to music in surround sound simulation because >> it does it so well and is kind of magical. A really good Blue ray >> movie is so involving I've sometimes turned audio description off to >> get the full effect. The only music recording I have in genuine 5.1 >> is a recently acquired Pure Audio remaster of the Genesis album >> Selling England by The Pound. It's wonderful. I can't understand why more >> great albums haven't been done this way. >> >> I've also got an old Logitec Z5500 5.1 speaker set attached to my PC >> and with that system the surround simulation is far preferable to >> normal stereo because otherwise there's no real depth to the music. >> >> To be honest, though, for convenience, most of the time I just stream >> audio from my PC or iPhone while I do other things. Incidentally, my >> pet hate at the moment is the way so many modern recordings have the >> volume compressed so that all the music is exactly the same level. >> I'm always trying to turn the music up to try to squeeze a bit more >> dynamic range out of it which of course doesn't really work. >> >> John >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Pc-audio [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of >> Gary Wood >> Sent: 26 May 2014 16:19 >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound >> >> I'm sure nobody. >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan" >> <[email protected]> >> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 9:36 AM >> Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound >> >> >> And who has said that it wasn't? >> >> On 27 May 2014, at 12:35 am, Gary Wood <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> That may be true, but it's still a matter of choice, I believe. >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan" >>> <[email protected]> >>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2014 8:19 AM >>> Subject: Re: listen to music in surrround sound >>> >>> >>> The fact is - whether we like it or not - 99% of the recorded music >>> on the >> >>> Planet was never recorded for surround-sound systems, it was either >>> recorded in stereo or Mono. >>> >>> >>> On 26 May 2014, at 11:17 pm, brian sackrider <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi this is Brian Sackrider and it is a matter of prefference on how >>>> to listen to music if you listen toyour music in stereo or in >>>> surround sound >> >>>> that is your prefference. I used to have a pioneer surround sound >>>> system >> >>>> it was the htp 55 and I did like to listen to music in surround >>>> sound I liked the concert hall effect and all of the seperation and >>>> the acoostic effects. in my opinion that is the only to listen to >>>> music in full surround sound you just can't get that kind of sound >>>> from stereo speakers >> >>>> iI do like to hear good stereo speakers but there is no compearason >>>> to listening to music in surroundsound. >>>> On 5/26/2014 2:54 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>> You're right, they don't like surround-sound and they do have a point. >>>>> >>>>> Surround-Sound systems are not designed for pure music listening, >>>>> you're >> >>>>> better off with a good stereo amp and a good pair of stereo >>>>> speakers for >> >>>>> doing things like that and here's their point, for the cost of a >>>>> surround-sound system you can buy better sound stereo amp and speakers. >>>>> >>>>> In short, surround-sound is for entertaining and enjoyable listening. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 26 May 2014, at 4:52 pm, Gary Wood <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Well it's too bad some people are like that. I don't think >>>>>> audiophiles >> >>>>>> would like surround sound. Someone told me once that when you >>>>>> add more >> >>>>>> speakers to the mix with surround sound, there is some loss of quality. >> >>>>>> Heck, I even used to use a graphics equalizer with one piece of >>>>>> equipment I had, but when I bought surround sound, the equalizer >>>>>> made things sound distored, so I quit using it. Audiophiles >>>>>> don't like graphic equalizers. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hamit Campos" >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 8:49 AM >>>>>> Subject: RE: Bose Soundlink 3 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I know audiophiles don't like them. I've seen it on youtube. >>>>>>> People make fun of people, people say the no highs, no lows, it >>>>>>> must be Bose joke, and >> >>>>>>> hell, >>>>>>> I've even seen death threats. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf >>>>>>> Of Dane Trethowan >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 2:11 AM >>>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Bose Soundlink 3 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As much as Bose users won't like to hear it, you won't find a >>>>>>> Bose system or product mentioned in an audiophile magazine but >>>>>>> that's nice to say their products are cheap, nasty and rubbish >>>>>>> because that just isn't the case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The products are reasonable at worst and the company is very >>>>>>> good to deal with, or it is here at any rate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've been able to try before I buy the products I have in my own >>>>>>> home, >> >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> was one product I didn't like and I told Bose so after the >>>>>>> trial, they >> >>>>>>> made >>>>>>> arrangements to pick the product up from me and I was given a >>>>>>> refund of the purchase price, no questions asked. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had a problem with my Bose Soundlink Air and a pickup of the >>>>>>> old and delivery of the new replacement was arranged, again no >>>>>>> questions asked, no hitches etc, I just had to identify who I >>>>>>> was. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 25 May 2014, at 4:08 pm, Gary Wood <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I guess people say that you get what you pay for, and maybe >>>>>>>> it's worth it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Otten" >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 7:25 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Bose Soundlink 3 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I wonder if anybody on list owns this speaker from Bose. It >>>>>>>>> costs $300. >>>>>>>>> I saw one briefly last evening at the Verizon store, as I was >>>>>>>>> purchasing my new iPhone and was pretty impressed with the >>>>>>>>> sound, given the size of the box. I really haven't looked all >>>>>>>>> that much in to this sort of speaker. I have an older dock >>>>>>>>> that works with the older style iPhone connectors, and it >>>>>>>>> really sounds pretty good, but my better half has sort of taken it >>>>>>>>> over for use in his class-room. >>>>>>>>> So I'd like to know from those who have experienced this >>>>>>>>> equipment, what did you think, and are there other units you'd >>>>>>>>> recommend as good competition? I like the size and the volume >>>>>>>>> and depth of sound, but am not thrilled with the $300 price >>>>>>>>> tag, naturally. >>>>>>>>> Mary >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ********** >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dane Trethowan >>>>>>> Skype: grtdane12 >>>>>>> Phone US (213) 438-9741 >>>>>>> Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 >>>>>>> Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 >>>>>>> Mobile: +61400494862 >>>>>>> faceTime +61400494862 >>>>>>> Fax +61397437954 >>>>>>> Twitter: @grtdane >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ********** >>>>> >>>>> Dane Trethowan >>>>> Skype: grtdane12 >>>>> Phone US (213) 438-9741 >>>>> Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 >>>>> Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 >>>>> Mobile: +61400494862 >>>>> faceTime +61400494862 >>>>> Fax +61397437954 >>>>> Twitter: @grtdane >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> ********** >>> >>> Dane Trethowan >>> Skype: grtdane12 >>> Phone US (213) 438-9741 >>> Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 >>> Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 >>> Mobile: +61400494862 >>> faceTime +61400494862 >>> Fax +61397437954 >>> Twitter: @grtdane >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ********** >> >> Dane Trethowan >> Skype: grtdane12 >> Phone US (213) 438-9741 >> Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 >> Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 >> Mobile: +61400494862 >> faceTime +61400494862 >> Fax +61397437954 >> Twitter: @grtdane >> >> >> >> >> > > ********** Dane Trethowan Skype: grtdane12 Phone US (213) 438-9741 Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598 Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589 Mobile: +61400494862 faceTime +61400494862 Fax +61397437954 Twitter: @grtdane
