Hello Hamit:

Yes, I do have the 312 and it is excellent, except as I said, that it does not 
have Wi-Fi.  I also have a VRS but one of the first generation.  I do not use 
the Milestone for recording except for emergencies, I have an Olympus DS-50 for 
that and I normally do not record stereo, mostly monoaural voice.

The Milestone 312 has a circular speaker with a grill in front, rather large 
for the size of the hardware, that plays excellent sound, albeit mono; to hear 
stereo you must use headphones, but either way the sound is remarkable for such 
a small player.  It also has FM radio.

I normally use the NLS player to listen to BARD books at home, but when 
travelling or otherwise away from home, use mostly my Milestone, I prefer it 
due to size and clarity of sound. 



-----Original Message-----
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 9:57 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Ah do you have the 312? Cause I'm sure no one's meantioned the MileStone 
cause of the yuck the 311 was. Epic fale that thing was. This comming 
from someone who still has 1. I only brought it back out cause my DM420 
died. I only have the LS-14. It's no good for podcasts as it doesn't 
hold your place and also if you turn the sucker off it'll jump out of 
the folders. Wait why not use your Strattus you ask? Yeah during the day 
sometimes I do. But again I'm not a big fan of Victor Quality. I really 
wanted to replace my trusty old PTR2 but BESB the bord of education and 
services for the blind of Connecticut doesn't have a deal with IRTI no 
more apparently. Oh wells. So what's the new mile stone like? Can you 
send me a recording made with it? Especially if you've used stereo mikes 
with it? Thanks.

On 5/3/2017 6:06 PM, Humberto Rodriguez wrote:
> I am amazed that during this long discussion nobody has mentioned the 
> Milestone, that Swiss machine with great speaker sound that also plays NLS 
> books and is much smaller than the VRS. Perhaps because it does not have 
> Wi-Fi?
> Humberto
> Humberto Rodriguez
> Fort White, Florida
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Gary 
> Schindler
> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 4:57 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
> Look on Amazon for the Lonve players. Best buy sells some MP3 players with
> radios and recorders to in this price range, but unless you have some vision
> to read the menus they won't do you much good. They have a small speaker and
> a headphone jack that also serves as an external mic and auxiliary input.
> The players have repeat and shuffle and one can create folders too, not as
> good as the Olympus machines but it can be done if you have sight. If you
> don't have sight you pay handsomely for the ability to have accessibility to
> outmoded technology for a small niche market.
> If it wasn't for playing talking books I doubt most of us would be buying
> the Victor Streams or Bookports at all.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hamit Campos
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:01 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
> What's this 40 $ MP3 and WAV recorder?
> On 5/3/2017 10:56 AM, Gary Schindler wrote:
>> Remember that the Victor stream was mostly meant to play talking books
>> with a few features added for convenience. actually you can get an MP3
>> player recorder for around $40.00 that has a better sounding speaker in it
>> and records MP3 and wave files much better, but the caveat is that you are
>> paying for accessible menus with the stream.
>> The Hims may be a better all around unit, but it costs twice as much money
>> as the stream.
>> Humanware was the first to come out with a machine that played bard books
>> even before NLS. Let's put everything in to context.
>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Skarstad
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
>> To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
>> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>> I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who enjoys
>> high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about how stuff
>> sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad press the
>> player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the next few days and
>> report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth functionality is something
>> that is lacking and needs to be in a future update.  If some of the
>> other specialized players can have it, so can the stream.  But i'm
>> buying it, fully aware of this and I'm certainly ok with it.
>> I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online services
>> like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and put them on the
>> stream that way.  It's good to know there are multiple ways of getting a
>> particular job like that done.
>> On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
>>> Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The Plextalk
>>> Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.
>>> On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>> Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to understand
>>>> that later firmware updates had fixed this.
>>>> Too late to try that here now <smile>.
>>>>> On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan <t...@timnoonan.com.au> wrote:
>>>>> Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts or
>>>>> whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a reasonable
>>>>> all-purpose player/recorder.
>>>>>      Regards
>>>>> Tim
>>>>> On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note that -
>>>>> using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 44.1KHZ so
>>>>> surely this should be reasonable.
>>>>> So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could use the
>>>>> line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.
>>>>>> On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly <otrja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of high
>>>>>> broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket range.
>>>>>> Jamie
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Dane Trethowan
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
>>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>>>>>> Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as we’ve
>>>>>> discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very serious limitation
>>>>>> and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one wouldn’t really want to try
>>>>>> and download a good quality audio stream.
>>>>>> And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
>>>>>> Another interesting point and its not critical just an observation, I
>>>>>> wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability to be able to browse
>>>>>> NAS storage devices or other computers on a network for files? Just
>>>>>> about every other device I know of these days - that can play Internet
>>>>>> radio stations - haas this handy feature which and I reckon it would
>>>>>> be an absolute boom! for users of a VR Stream.
>>>>>> Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though hHumanware
>>>>>> take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it will take until
>>>>>> Christmas for the VR Stream users to download <smile>.
>>>>>> Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy about
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>> On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon <sca...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>> I love my Victor Stream.
>>>>>>> The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and locate
>>>>>>> internet radio stations.
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>> Hamit Campos
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
>>>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>>>>>>> Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other people
>>>>>>> either didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.
>>>>>>> On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
>>>>>>>> I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to report
>>>>>>>> on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection with Verizon
>>>>>>>> Fios, so downloading books manually and transfering them to the
>>>>>>>> player won't be an issue if the download speeds on the player are as
>>>>>>>> slow as some of you guys say they are.  I'm kind of shocked that
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> is just now coming up, as the new generation stream has been out for
>>>>>>>> some time now.  I thought this would've been mentioned sooner, but
>>>>>>>> maybe I skipped over it as I wasn't in the market for one at that
>>>>>>>> time, i'm not sure. I'll certainly let you guys know my experiences.
>>>>>>>> On 5/1/2017 12:41 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
>>>>>>>>> As to slow downloading of data, I have noticed with ours, and those
>>>>>>>>> of some friends, that it doesn't seem to have a great wi-fi
>>>>>>>>> transceiver in it. Even when I'm close to my router, it usually
>>>>>>>>> says
>>>>>>>>> that reception is poor.
>>>>>>>>> Other than that, you are right, a lot of functionality in that
>>>>>>>>> little package.
>>>>>>>>> Evan
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Dane Trethowan
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 10:24 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>> I just bought one of these units and would like to make comment on
>>>>>>>>> my purchase.
>>>>>>>>> Firstly I think that the unit does a brilliant job for what it is
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> most respects.
>>>>>>>>> The sound from the internal speaker is a little muffled however -
>>>>>>>>> having already heard a VR Stream - I was already prepared for this,
>>>>>>>>> a bit of an annoyance one might say so to overcome this I use a
>>>>>>>>> small BUniden hand-held amplified battery speaker I've had for
>>>>>>>>> years, cost me $25 about 7 years ago, pity the Stream doesn't have
>>>>>>>>> Bluetooth but I guess a product can't have everythint.
>>>>>>>>> Now I don't know whether this is my unit in particular but I have
>>>>>>>>> noticed that the downloading of data seems to be incredibly slow
>>>>>>>>> compared to other devices I have on my network, I used the "Check
>>>>>>>>> for Updates" function and - according to that - the firmware is up
>>>>>>>>> to date, well at least the data does get downloaded I guess.
>>>>>>>>> There's a hell of a lot of functionality packed into the VR Stream
>>>>>>>>> box and a lot of this - such as the Internet Radio, podcasts and so
>>>>>>>>> forth - I won't bother using - given I already have better
>>>>>>>>> solutions
>>>>>>>>> for that sort of thing - but for those who don't the VR Stream
>>>>>>>>> provides a great entry level to the world of Internet Radio and
>>>>>>>>> Podcasting.
>>>>>>>>> Getting online with the Vision Australia library was a snap so I
>>>>>>>>> downlaoded a couple of books.
>>>>>>>>> Again, I have other Apps and so forth which I prefer to use myself
>>>>>>>>> but the Stream is convenient for reading, no doubt about that even
>>>>>>>>> though I read all my newspapers these days straight from the web
>>>>>>>>> site its good to know I have a reliable backup.
>>>>>>> ---
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