Yo Humberto!
What a funny coincident.
I also use a CPap machine. It's even more important to me then my girlfriend I 
think. Grin
But why not look into some of the new exciting Android devices like the Samsung 
Galaxy S8, or the cheeper Huawei phones?
Have you guys ever heard about the Capsys SmartVision 2? It's a super cool 
smartphone made in france that also has lots of special apps for the blind 
build in, and a reasonable battery cycle.
At least it holds power for more than double the time  then it's the case for 
an iPhone. It's a combined keypad and touch screen phone especially build up 
from the ground to serve the visually impaired users.
Further more it's equipped with a micro sd card reader, so memory will never be 
an issue again.

Right now I have a really weird issue with my iPad that Apple has a hard time 
fixing, and I tell you. If they can't or won't fix that I'd never ever buy a 
unit from Apple again. I off course hope the best. Smile

Best regards

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Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Humberto 
Sendt: 4. maj 2017 16:08
Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Emne: RE: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

I read quite a lot and while at home, in my opinion, nothing beats the NLS 
player, with its good sound, long-lasting battery, although the battery life, 
that begins at 40 hours, slowly degrades to about 16 with prolonged use.  The 
Iphone of course, is also excellent for listening to BARD books, but with so 
many other apps on the Iphone and now with unlimited data, plus texting and the 
telephone itself, I prefer to also take the Milestone 312 for the books.

The problem is that we are slowly  becoming pack horses, when you take into 
consideration that when travelling, I normally take my Iphone, Milestone, 
Olympus, ORCAM, laptop and CPap machine.

Everything could be improved of course.  The NLS players could solve the 
battery-life issue plus add Bluetooth capability;  the Milestone could add 
Wi-Fi, Bluetooth and an antenna for the FM radio, for now it uses the wire of 
the headphones as antenna; the ORCAM should be able to save the text it scans, 



-----Original Message-----
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 7:33 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation

Cool. Yes I've red that the new 1 has a radio. I'm glad it's so much better 
then my 311. So you'd say it's worth it then? Cause I've never seen 1 and 
wasn't sure how much of an upgrade it is. As for the NLS player. I too have 1. 
It's cool looking. Don't use it as often though. 
What with the app being on my phone.

On 5/4/2017 2:03 AM, Humberto Rodriguez wrote:
> Hello Hamit:
> Yes, I do have the 312 and it is excellent, except as I said, that it does 
> not have Wi-Fi.  I also have a VRS but one of the first generation.  I do not 
> use the Milestone for recording except for emergencies, I have an Olympus 
> DS-50 for that and I normally do not record stereo, mostly monoaural voice.
> The Milestone 312 has a circular speaker with a grill in front, rather large 
> for the size of the hardware, that plays excellent sound, albeit mono; to 
> hear stereo you must use headphones, but either way the sound is remarkable 
> for such a small player.  It also has FM radio.
> I normally use the NLS player to listen to BARD books at home, but when 
> travelling or otherwise away from home, use mostly my Milestone, I prefer it 
> due to size and clarity of sound.
> Regards,
> Humberto
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Hamit Campos
> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 9:57 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
> Ah do you have the 312? Cause I'm sure no one's meantioned the 
> MileStone cause of the yuck the 311 was. Epic fale that thing was. 
> This comming from someone who still has 1. I only brought it back out 
> cause my DM420 died. I only have the LS-14. It's no good for podcasts 
> as it doesn't hold your place and also if you turn the sucker off 
> it'll jump out of the folders. Wait why not use your Strattus you ask? 
> Yeah during the day sometimes I do. But again I'm not a big fan of 
> Victor Quality. I really wanted to replace my trusty old PTR2 but BESB 
> the bord of education and services for the blind of Connecticut 
> doesn't have a deal with IRTI no more apparently. Oh wells. So what's 
> the new mile stone like? Can you send me a recording made with it? 
> Especially if you've used stereo mikes with it? Thanks.
> On 5/3/2017 6:06 PM, Humberto Rodriguez wrote:
>> I am amazed that during this long discussion nobody has mentioned the 
>> Milestone, that Swiss machine with great speaker sound that also plays NLS 
>> books and is much smaller than the VRS. Perhaps because it does not have 
>> Wi-Fi?
>> Humberto
>> Humberto Rodriguez
>> Fort White, Florida
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Gary Schindler
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 4:57 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>> Look on Amazon for the Lonve players. Best buy sells some MP3 players 
>> with radios and recorders to in this price range, but unless you have 
>> some vision to read the menus they won't do you much good. They have 
>> a small speaker and a headphone jack that also serves as an external mic and 
>> auxiliary input.
>> The players have repeat and shuffle and one can create folders too, 
>> not as good as the Olympus machines but it can be done if you have 
>> sight. If you don't have sight you pay handsomely for the ability to 
>> have accessibility to outmoded technology for a small niche market.
>> If it wasn't for playing talking books I doubt most of us would be 
>> buying the Victor Streams or Bookports at all.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Hamit Campos
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 11:01 AM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>> What's this 40 $ MP3 and WAV recorder?
>> On 5/3/2017 10:56 AM, Gary Schindler wrote:
>>> Remember that the Victor stream was mostly meant to play talking 
>>> books with a few features added for convenience. actually you can 
>>> get an MP3 player recorder for around $40.00 that has a better 
>>> sounding speaker in it and records MP3 and wave files much better, 
>>> but the caveat is that you are paying for accessible menus with the stream.
>>> The Hims may be a better all around unit, but it costs twice as much 
>>> money as the stream.
>>> Humanware was the first to come out with a machine that played bard 
>>> books even before NLS. Let's put everything in to context.
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Skarstad
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2017 9:05 AM
>>> To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org
>>> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>>> I think that's just the point.  If you're a real audiofile who 
>>> enjoys high end audio from a device, and you're really picky about 
>>> how stuff sounds, the VR stream ain't for you.  Despite all the bad 
>>> press the player has gotten here, i'll still purchase one in the 
>>> next few days and report my findings.  I do think Bluetooth 
>>> functionality is something that is lacking and needs to be in a 
>>> future update.  If some of the other specialized players can have 
>>> it, so can the stream.  But i'm buying it, fully aware of this and I'm 
>>> certainly ok with it.
>>> I'll also report on the speed of downloading books via online 
>>> services like BARD.  I can always download the books manually and 
>>> put them on the stream that way.  It's good to know there are 
>>> multiple ways of getting a particular job like that done.
>>> On 5/3/2017 8:58 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:
>>>> Ah well The Victors are more player anyways then recorder. The 
>>>> Plextalk Pocket is the thing ya want if ya want a recorder.
>>>> On 5/3/2017 5:14 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>>> Ah okay so that problem still exists then? I was given to 
>>>>> understand that later firmware updates had fixed this.
>>>>> Too late to try that here now <smile>.
>>>>>> On 3 May 2017, at 6:44 pm, Tim Noonan <t...@timnoonan.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>> Sadly, the Stream Mic or line in creates very audible artefacts 
>>>>>> or whistles in recordings. Otherwise the stream would be a 
>>>>>> reasonable all-purpose player/recorder.
>>>>>>       Regards
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>> On 3 May 2017, at 6:02 pm, Dane Trethowan 
>>>>>> <grtd...@internode.on.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I didn’t try the line-in recording function though I did note 
>>>>>> that - using this function - one can record to PCM Wave files at 
>>>>>> 44.1KHZ so surely this should be reasonable.
>>>>>> So if one really wanted to do high quality recordings one could 
>>>>>> use the line-in method and buy suitable equipment to take full advantage.
>>>>>>> On 3 May 2017, at 5:43 pm, Jamie Kelly <otrja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> The recording quality is ok for notes and meetings but not of 
>>>>>>> high broadcast quality as with the bookport plus or Plextor Pocket 
>>>>>>> range.
>>>>>>> Jamie
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf 
>>>>>>> Of Dane Trethowan
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 3 May 2017 4:47 PM
>>>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>>>>>>> Yep, convenient may be but the unit does have its limitations as 
>>>>>>> we’ve discussed here, the Wi-Fi connectivity being a very 
>>>>>>> serious limitation and - given the speed of the Wi-Fi - one 
>>>>>>> wouldn’t really want to try and download a good quality audio stream.
>>>>>>> And again we come to that bloody awful internal speaker.
>>>>>>> Another interesting point and its not critical just an 
>>>>>>> observation, I wonder why Human ware didn’t include the ability 
>>>>>>> to be able to browse NAS storage devices or other computers on a 
>>>>>>> network for files? Just about every other device I know of these 
>>>>>>> days - that can play Internet radio stations - haas this handy 
>>>>>>> feature which and I reckon it would be an absolute boom! for users of a 
>>>>>>> VR Stream.
>>>>>>> Perhaps I’m talking about a future VR Stream update though 
>>>>>>> hHumanware take my advice, don’t make the update too big or it 
>>>>>>> will take until Christmas for the VR Stream users to download <smile>.
>>>>>>> Regarding my own streaM/ Its found a good home so I’m happy 
>>>>>>> about that.
>>>>>>>> On 2 May 2017, at 4:34 am, Peter Scanlon <sca...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I love my Victor Stream.
>>>>>>>> The best thing about it is how easy it is to listen to and 
>>>>>>>> locate internet radio stations.
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf 
>>>>>>>> Of Hamit Campos
>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2017 3:07 AM
>>>>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>>>>>>>> Yeah I've not heard this before either. But perhaps other 
>>>>>>>> people either didn't have the issue or they just axepted it.
>>>>>>>> On 5/1/2017 12:59 PM, Chris Skarstad wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'll be purchasing one of these very soon, so will be able to 
>>>>>>>>> report on it when i get it.  I have a super-fast connection 
>>>>>>>>> with Verizon Fios, so downloading books manually and 
>>>>>>>>> transfering them to the player won't be an issue if the 
>>>>>>>>> download speeds on the player are as slow as some of you guys 
>>>>>>>>> say they are.  I'm kind of shocked that this is just now 
>>>>>>>>> coming up, as the new generation stream has been out for some 
>>>>>>>>> time now.  I thought this would've been mentioned sooner, but 
>>>>>>>>> maybe I skipped over it as I wasn't in the market for one at 
>>>>>>>>> that time, i'm not sure. I'll certainly let you guys know my 
>>>>>>>>> experiences.
>>>>>>>>> On 5/1/2017 12:41 PM, Evan Reese wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> As to slow downloading of data, I have noticed with ours, and 
>>>>>>>>>> those of some friends, that it doesn't seem to have a great 
>>>>>>>>>> wi-fi transceiver in it. Even when I'm close to my router, it 
>>>>>>>>>> usually says that reception is poor.
>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, you are right, a lot of functionality in 
>>>>>>>>>> that little package.
>>>>>>>>>> Evan
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Dane Trethowan
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 10:24 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Victor Reader Stream 2nd Generation
>>>>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>>>>> I just bought one of these units and would like to make 
>>>>>>>>>> comment on my purchase.
>>>>>>>>>> Firstly I think that the unit does a brilliant job for what 
>>>>>>>>>> it is in most respects.
>>>>>>>>>> The sound from the internal speaker is a little muffled 
>>>>>>>>>> however - having already heard a VR Stream - I was already 
>>>>>>>>>> prepared for this, a bit of an annoyance one might say so to 
>>>>>>>>>> overcome this I use a small BUniden hand-held amplified 
>>>>>>>>>> battery speaker I've had for years, cost me $25 about 7 years 
>>>>>>>>>> ago, pity the Stream doesn't have Bluetooth but I guess a product 
>>>>>>>>>> can't have everythint.
>>>>>>>>>> Now I don't know whether this is my unit in particular but I 
>>>>>>>>>> have noticed that the downloading of data seems to be 
>>>>>>>>>> incredibly slow compared to other devices I have on my 
>>>>>>>>>> network, I used the "Check for Updates" function and - 
>>>>>>>>>> according to that - the firmware is up to date, well at least the 
>>>>>>>>>> data does get downloaded I guess.
>>>>>>>>>> There's a hell of a lot of functionality packed into the VR 
>>>>>>>>>> Stream box and a lot of this - such as the Internet Radio, 
>>>>>>>>>> podcasts and so forth - I won't bother using - given I 
>>>>>>>>>> already have better solutions for that sort of thing - but 
>>>>>>>>>> for those who don't the VR Stream provides a great entry 
>>>>>>>>>> level to the world of Internet Radio and Podcasting.
>>>>>>>>>> Getting online with the Vision Australia library was a snap 
>>>>>>>>>> so I downlaoded a couple of books.
>>>>>>>>>> Again, I have other Apps and so forth which I prefer to use 
>>>>>>>>>> myself but the Stream is convenient for reading, no doubt 
>>>>>>>>>> about that even though I read all my newspapers these days 
>>>>>>>>>> straight from the web site its good to know I have a reliable backup.
>>>>>>>> ---
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