Hi Saquib,

In S2L sub-path diversity, it is allowed for the sub-path to leaf A in the 
first tree to share resources with the sub-path to leaf B in the second tree.  
So the complete trees are not (necessarily) diverse.

Nic

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Hi Nic,
If we consider S2L diversity for all the leaves in the tree, automatically the 
complete tree will become diverse, then why do we require a new diversity 
option?


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Hi Quintin,

I don't think "partial path diversity for certain leaves" is quite the point I 
was suggesting.

The idea of S2L sub-path diversity is that, when you're doing 1+1 protection, 
you don't need complete tree diversity.  It is sufficient just to ensure that, 
for any given leaf, the S2L sub-paths to that leaf in the two trees are 
diverse.  Then, following some network failure, traffic will still be delivered 
to all leaves on at least one of the two trees.

Two P2MP LSPs going in opposite ways around a ring is the easiest way to 
picture this.

Nic

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Nic and Adrian,

Thanks for your suggestions!

By using the existing SVEC functionality, PCC can request the secondary P2MP 
LSP path computation to protect the whole P2MP path tree by specifying the 
S/N/L bit in the SVEC object.

If we understand the new requirements you suggested for S2L sub-path diversity, 
you want the PCC to be able to ask the PCE to compute secondary P2MP path tree 
with partial path diversity for certain leaves or certain S2L sub-path.

We will address these new requirements in our next version of the draft.

Quintin

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Ah, that is an interesting and valid point, Nic.

And I think one might also consider "directional diversity" for your ring 
example.

A
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Hi,

I have a suggestion for a small extension to the PCEP P2MP draft.

I believe the base PCEP specification currently has three options for 
calculating diverse protection paths: link diverse, node diverse and SRLG 
diverse (draft-ietf-pce-pcep section 7.13.2).

In P2MP, S2L sub-path diverse is another important case.  I think it would be 
good to allow the PCC to request computation of S2L sub-path diverse protection 
paths.

This is useful when doing 1+1 protection in a ring topology, for example.

Nic




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