Hi Xian,

On Jul 31, 2013, at 23:14 , "Zhangxian (Xian)" <[email protected]>
 wrote:

> Hi, 
> 
>   Thank you for questions. 
> 
>  I do not understand your statement "if the PCC state is so big that could 
> not be transferred in one shot (not necessarily one packet or one datagram). 
> " When we are talking here is to synchronize the LSP-DB, which consists of 
> LSPs of manageable message size. Actually, it is possible to combine multiple 
> LSP states together. 
> 

GM> In  section 1.1 "Motivation" you provide some numbers. Could you estimate 
the the LSP-DB size & bandwidth available? Do you agree that optimisation 
suggested here has some costs?   


> Secondly, for what you mentioned "first request fails", what do you mean by 
> that? Since PCEP is based on TCP, so there should be mechanisms to support 
> reliable delivery (outside of PCEP). So, NO MATTER if it is full sync. or 
> partial sync., the DB will be incomplete anyway even if your assumption 
> holds. So it does not invalidate our proposal.

GM> I guess I meant a state syncronization operation (or sequence ) as per 
section 5.4 "State Synchronisation"  of the bible.  In general operations may 
fails for different reasons ... anyway TCP should help you in avoiding further 
mechanism 


> 
> 
> As for the last comment, if you read (or may be interested to) the WG draft 
> carefully, the function you mentioned below as "A PCC SHOULD remember the 
> deleted LSP as well" is already supported there. So, I do not see how it is 
> an issue at all. 

GM>  could you provide a pointer where is already supported?

Cheers
G


> 
> Regards,
> Xian
> 
> ________________________________________
> 发件人: [email protected] [[email protected]] 代表 Giovanni Martinelli 
> (giomarti) [[email protected]]
> 发送时间: 2013年8月1日 1:50
> 到: [email protected]
> 主题: [Pce] comment on draft-zhx-pce-stateful-lsp-sync-00
> 
> Dear Authors,
> 
> here an engineer (not necessarily a network engineer) comment. It comes to my 
> mind during today presentation so ...  tossing to the list hope help 
> discussion.
> 
> Looks to me you are adding an optimisation that actually may add more 
> problems than the one you are trying to solve.
> 
> I first wonder if the PCC state is so big that could not be transferred in 
> one shot (not necessarily one packet or one datagram).  In case first request 
> fails wound't be better just retry instead of adding the complexity of 
> incremental updates?
> 
> Second, you have to pay the price of partially synchronised DB. What you can 
> do with a partial state? My first feeling you have to just consider your  DB 
> as not synchronised.
> 
> Third, You also imply there's more state to maintain at the PCC side as 
> well...  e.g. "A PCC SHOULD remember the deleted LSP as well" .
> 
> Cheers
> G
> 
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