Kyle H. Hansen wrote:
>
> Dick Busch wrote:
>
> > > Martin Thomas-WLTM07 wrote:
> > > > higher end PC....
> > >
> > > Oxy-Moron? Methinks so.
> > > -- Kyle H. Hansen
> >
> > Gee, Kyle, was that an attempt at sarcasm?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Don't we have enough OS bigotry already?
>
> Actually, sarcasm and bigotry differ in many ways, but this isn't an
english
> lit. list. This is a Mac list...no mention of PC questions when I signed
> up...years ago.
>
You're avoiding the issue, quite deliberately. Sarcasm is an intimate part
of bigotry but, hey, each to his own. "this isn't an english lit. list" is
begging the point.
>
> Unless it is an off topic PC networking question. But that
> should be taken offlist.
>
Are you speaking of a homogeneous PC network or one in which we network Macs
and PCs? Is networking a Mac in a heterogeneous Mac-PC environment off topic
as well? I hope you're not saying that, 'cuz I'll have questions, shortly,
about that. I like and use many platforms, but I'm not expert in all of them
by any means, and the fine points of Etherneting an 8500 into a network of
x86 boxen running Linux Samba and Win OSes are bound to be nasty..
> > Oh yes, I'd agree with you that PC bigotry is more ferocious and stupid.
> > But I think bigotry sucks.
>
> I think bigotry sucks too.
>
> > I've used Macs, pre-PCs, PCs and bigger for 30+ years. That's not
> > oxymoronic, nor moronic.
> > OS bigotry is.
>
> I've used Punchcard HP systems, Apples, Amigas, Commodores, TRS-80's,
Macs,
> PC, Unix, Sun, SGI, and linux systems. But I'm only 33 years old. I
choose
> the Mac OS out of experience...not bigotry.
>
Ah, punchcards, those were the days... not.
> > There WAS a time when Macs were vastly more efficient, effective,
> > user-friendly, stylish ... the list is endless.
>
> I know. I bought a IIfx new. Do you have any idea what that cost?
>
5K? Just a guess.
> > Now, there's OSX and, with the bugs worked out, it easily wins on style
> > points and - hopefully - will help destabilize Billie Gates' dystopian
Borg
> > Empire's attempted hegemony
>
> You've read the Hyperion Novels haven't you...Good.
>
No! Heard of Hyperion, but don't read Sci-Fi.as feverishly as I used to ;-).
Does talking to Arthur C. Clark at a 1968 NYC Sci-Fi Convention count? No,
that's hard Sci-Fi. Ah, the days before Cyber-Punk. Ike Asimov, Clark,
assorted bearded ones...
No, I just like to describe things as they are. After I turned fifty I
decided mincing words was a waste of energy.
> > Why aren't Macs 95% of the market, hmmm? We know, that's good for a
million
> > words, right?
>
> Easy. I can sum it up in a few sentences though. Macs used to be
> SUPER-FREAKING expensive. Now they are not. ((is that simple enough?
the
> 2,000 word version is waiting playfully in the wings)).
>
Thank you! We pretty much agree on that one.
> > I just got a sweet, slightly used, 8500-180 with 48MB (at the moment), a
> > tiny 2Gig drive and Apple 15AV Monitor (just needs a sub-woofer). Makes
a
> > great addition to my home network, makes a better platform - at my
place -
> > for my girlfriend's Photoshop and Quark work, etc.
>
> I was on the 8500 Hardware design team. They are my favorite Macs. I
have 3.
> Yes, adding RAM is tough for rookies, but all you need is a little
patience.
> RAM was not a "user-serviceable" part back then.
>
OK, I need your expertise - shouldn't piss you off, eh? I'm not a hardware
guy like you, my degrees were in Finance. I also know far less about Macs
than x86 boxes, that's why I joined this list and why I joined the 68K list
a couple years ago.
I upgraded my girlfriend's Quadra 700 to 68MB RAM, got her a PowerMac 6100
(empty), brought it up to 136MB RAM, adding a 9Gig internal HD and untangled
some ugly SCSI termination stuff while getting her scanner and CD and
ancient SyQuest to work; but when I open that bad boy 8500, am I going to
see an alien environment ;-)? Will adding RAM be that hard? I assume it's to
be 5v 168pin DIMM, right?
>
> > That's why I JUST joined this list (receiving a mere 216 posts to date).
I
> > already find it - the list, and your postings - useful, insightful, and
> > expect more of same. But I didn't expect such bigotry. A rarity, right?
>
> The only bigotry here is directed at PC's (and I have no problem in
stating
> that). This is a "Mac only" list with a "once-removed" rule, so you are
> allowed to ask questions about machines that are once removed...get it.
He
> he.
OK, it's there but its rare...
>
> > I also use Winsux 95/98/2K, Linux, Unix on x86 and bigger iron. So? What
> > does that make me?
>
> I am MCSE, A+ and UNIX certified, but that is not for this list...
Whoa! Just talkin' diversity, not appellations!
unless you
> are talking about a windoze PCI card for an 8500. Orange Micro makes a
good
> one.
>
Thank you! I haven't decided what to do with the PCI slots; the built-in
Ethernet makes it networkable, but if I wanted to run it as a gateway, would
the slots accept one or more PCI ethernet cards?
More to the point, what s/w's will I need for it to talk to a Linux Samba,
Win environment? Like I said, I'm playing catch-up on Mac intricacies. Are
programs like DAVE absolutely necessary?
>
> I live in San Francisco...and I know all I want to know about "diversity."
;-)
>
Been there many times, love it... and I know what you mean, for sure! ;-)
Thanks for your help.
Dick Busch
Time will tell. It always does.
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