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> Date:          Sat, 22 Sep 2001 22:25:35 -0700
> From:          Andrew Keller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject:       Re: ST1515ON

> This is really useful. So far we have, "doorstop", "paperweight", and 
> "piece of crap".
> 
> All I'm asking is an explanation to this for this drive and why, and 
> in who's experience. A little credibility wouldn't hurt either.
> 
> _
> Andrew

Bit long but here's my part-time tech experience but still sharp on 
specs.  Anybody can look up the specs on their drives to find 
out if their drives is slowing their machines down.

These early barracudas 3.5" HH (half height) style HDs always run hot 
and very diffcult to cool.   Useless cooling in many external boxes 
and computer chassis unless one finds one that can do about 20 cubic 
feet per minute past that HD.

Ditto to early barracudas LPs (1" height) but not as bad.  Just threw 
out a crashed barracuda LP ST32550W.  Platters scored and spindle 
bearing is gone (bit of ticks felt when I spun that platters by 
hand) after I took it apart.

Heat is major killers of HDs and worse w/ early 7200rpm drives and 
few early 10K rpm drives.  The lube coatings on the platters softens 
and at shut off, heads embeds in soft surfaces.  Monday morning.  
Stuck. Some users or techs had to unstick them w/ a slap  or crashed 
if heads manages to dig a farrow initially.  Heat sometimes crashes 
the chipsets or burn them out.  Since then, HD makers have since 
learned this lessons and designed more carefully to spin those 
platters at high rpms efficiently (less heat) and efficient voice 
coil design.  I have couple 7200rpm drives that one were made 1 and 
1/2 years ago and another one very recently and only needed bit of 
air flow to keep them cool unlike that noisy 20 CFM blast of air.
Infamous ST1xx 3.5" (20MB thru 80MB w/ stepper) HH ran hot also 
even it was based on shrunken famous ST225 idea.   They died by large 
numbers because their platters got stuck to the head caused by 
long overheated runs.  Even a slap is not a fix they instantly stick 
again on shut down even drive was cool.

I have few early 7200rpm drives also.  That 1" 
IBM 1GB XP and Atlas II 2.1GB ran warm but not hot while other one 
Barracuda 2 (2.1GB) tried in IIci grew blistering HOT after 15 
minutes of use and real noisy when seeking.  Right now that one is 
sitting on shelf till I find box or something to put that HD air 
cooled at high rate past that hd but I'm casting around what to put 
on what "slow" machine, this HD is dog SLOW due to transfer rate from 
210MB per platter (10 platters total). Even a cool running decent 
540MB one platter 5400rpm drive knocks it off.

Your ST15150N is same factor form as hot barracuda 2 but still sorta 
ok because of incredible 11 platters in it.  Appox 400MB per platter 
means fair transfer rate but 4GB made up for capacity.  A 
quantum fireball ST 6.4 (3 platters, 2.1GB per platter spun at 5400 
rpm) will trounce that for transfer but ok on seek.

What makes 7200rpm and up attactive part was great for high rate 
of seeks in least time.  Regular drives (low end) 15ms or so versus 
neck-snappng appox seek 4.8ms also higher internal transfer rate thru 
each head.  

Keep in mind:

Highest density per platter, 7200rpm and up and huge 
2MB buffer is the king for getting most performance.  Even 40GB per 
platter spinning at 5400rpm w/ 2MB is still excellent.

Cheers,

Wizard

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