Thanks for the advice people, a friend popped round, reckons he may have 
some 5v memory, wanted the 8500 rather than his 8100 since the former 
runs NetBSD whereas the latter won't. So I'm about to become the owner 
of the working 8100 with 80Mb ram & 9Gb of disks,  as I'd rather run Mac 
OS8.x, so I'll be off to 1st-powermacs list.

so long, thanks for the help

bryan


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