>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (flawed jai)
>Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 13:40:33 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: Re: this is my first...etc
>
>last night while wandering thru eBay in the powermacs section, it began
>to dawn on me that if I am gonna upgrade this 6360 with an L2/G3 cache,
>that increase in CPU speed is gonna want increases in all the other
>aspects of the machine that are going to be affected by the raising of
>the bar, in turn.

>ok- on to the realized need for more speed:
>the L2 G3 disables the built in geoport modem. I need to put an external
>one on it.

>if i put ethernet into this, what to use? my other macs are all 68k's
>with 10bT cards on RJ45's.

>speed elsewhere:
>this comes with an 8x cd-rom drive built in. should I be thinking of
>replacing it with a 24x internal or even faster?

>for video, it has an ATI rage card in it now. I have an apple multiscan
>14 and a 15 to use on it, as well as some PC monitors around, possible
>with adapters and cords that i have. can i get millions of colors out of
>this machine,

>how does  this G3 change the demands on my hard drive? what capacity
>should I be thinking about,

>what am I looking at, here? how much of this is realistic and how much
>of it am I just thinking too big about?

Anytime you're looking at replacing/upgrading two or more components, 
it's time to start thinking about buying a newer machine, unless you 
enjoy fiddling as a hobby, which, I'm sure, many of us do.  But from 
an economic standpoint, it doesn't make any sense to upgrade the 
6360.    If you had a special AV card that only worked in that 
machine (like the MPEG system in 6400/6500) it might make sense, but 
even that kind of thing has usually been overtaken by better options 
on more modern machines.

You should probably look at something at least as new as a Beige G3. 
The 6360 is pretty impaired in terms of how much RAM it can hold and 
the requirement for an L2 CPU upgrade limits you severely.   A Beige 
G3 will take common ZIF CPU upgrades and goes up to 768 MB of RAM. 
If OWC is still running their special, you can start at 0 MB RAM and 
have 768 MB of RAM for $66 (3 X $22 for 256 MB SDRAM modules).

And Beige G3s are commonly available in the neighborhood of $200 - 
$300 on Ebay.  I've heard of better deals, but you can't count on 
getting them usually.  I picked up a G3/300 with 1 MB cache, 8 GB 
drive, 64 MB RAM, A/V in/out card, ATI Rage Pro,  6 MB VRAM, 24X 
CDROM and internal ZIP for about $300 shipped back in August.  Then I 
spent $22 on a 256 MB SDRAM module.   From your list you'd only need 
to add an external modem and perhaps a FW/USB card to that.   Prices 
have probably dropped some since then, so you'd certainly be able to 
get all the stuff you want for under $400 and end up with a machine 
that's still very upgradeable, rather than one creaking at the seams 
from all the stuff squeezed into it.

One of the still newer machines with bootable/built-in Firewire/USB 
might be a still better option, but you start getting into trade-offs 
where you sacrifice SCSI and ADB on the newer machines in order to 
get FW/USB.   I think the Yikes (or was that the Sawtooth?; the early 
Blue and White) had both (though no SCSI?) but I've heard that as the 
first New World machine, it has some reliability issues.  Plus, I 
have no idea what the pricing is on the less old machines.

Jeff Walther


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