Dan Knight wrote:
>Aaron quotes:
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>This is news to me -- and one more reason I want to get things on my own
>server eventually. Since all of our lists are set up to only allow
>subscribers to post, there should be no need to check incoming list
>messages for spam. In all our years with Maclaunch, only one spam message
>ever got through to a single list -- and that was due to an accidental
>configuration change.

In Oct., after two occasions of receiving PCI Maclaunch mail system 
bounce warnings followed by a day or two without pci digests being 
sent, I errantly blamed my ISP for having overzealous filters before 
realizing the PCI list mail server was to blame for all the bogus 
autoresponses and indiscriminantly dropping list members. My ISP 
checked their records which showed that zero messages were bounced 
from my mail account by  them during that period. (I have to assume 
that this was correct and that they would  not lie about such a 
thing.)  I have a new respect for the quality job my ISP is doing and 
the fact that they took the time to listen and then explain some 
things.  Even though spam doesn't seem to be given the current state 
of the list server problems, some of you may find the following 
response from George at Netlink Services of interest:
- - -
There are tons of mailing lists run by spammers. They host the lists for
free because if they can get enough people using them then the ISP's can't
blacklist the list server and they can use it to spam and be assured of a
better return than if they use a separate server to spam. azoogle.com is one
place that does this all the time.

I don't believe the Maclaunch.com site is such a site though (they actually
look like a pretty good list from the headers I can see below) but a spammer
can join a list and post with a return address that is in the spam domain
(we sometimes filter based on a domain name) and that will suddenly cause a
list that never has any problems to suddenly start bouncing all over the
place. These people do stuff like this on purpose, their goal is to get
their advertisements in your face and they don't care what it takes to make
that happen.

(This was quoted from the email I sent my ISP)
>  Below is an email digest from [EMAIL PROTECTED] There
>  are a few sponsor  URLs and a  line or two describing "specials" but
>  that is it. No spam. Harmless.

I just gave it a quick scan over and it doesn't appear to contain anything
that would cause a bounce.

Like I said, if you can get the list admin to forward a bounce to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll track down the exact cause. That's about the best I
can do. The only other real option is to have a second unfiltered account
that you can use just for list emails...(snip)

Actually there is one more option but I don't know if it's available from
your list, you could ask the list admin if he can set it to ignore bounces
from you, this would at least keep you from being dropped because one post
gets bounced.   -Geo.

Mike

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