on 4-27-05 5:45 PM, Kevin Willis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I would really appreciate any advice I can get...

Well, okay...here goes:

> I stopped in a local Mac store today and found a Blue and White G3 for
> sale.  It had 128 Mb RAM, a 6 GB hard drive and OS 8.6 installed.  The
> thing that peaked my interest was the fact that it had a Sonnet G4/800
> Mhz CPU upgrade installed.  They are asking $350 for it.

It's a little thin on RAM (128 Megs?).  Depending on what you're planning to
do with it, you'd prolly want to add (at least) another 128 to bring it up
to 256.  That's more money right there.

6 gig hard drive...that's pretty small.  Can you do anything with a drive
this small, or would you just immediately tear it out and install your 40
Gig drive?

Also, the OS bears a look at.  You haven't told us what you plan to do with
the machine, but 8.6 is prolly not going to cut it.  I assume you have
access to retail-version system 9.x software (or higher), but if not, you'd
have to factor that cost in, too.

So the main selling point for this box is the 800MHz Sonnet upgrade.  This
is an 800MHz upgrade passing through a 100 MHz bus.  Will this meet your
needs?  Not just now, but in a year or two as well?

The $350 price tag is kinda steep for what you're getting here, IMAO.
You're $150 away from a Mac Mini ($499) at this point.  And we've only just
started.

> I am currently saving for a family vacation, so purchasing it outright is
> kinda out of the question.

I wouldn't worry about buying *any* sort of hardware outright.  There is not
only _always_ another deal around the corner, but when it comes to
computers, I can't think of too many instances where people were penalized
for putting off a purchase.  With Moore's Law (and prices falling all the
time), you can only benefit from waiting.

> However, I do have a 500 Mhz Blue Dalmatian iMac that does not get
> much use.  

A couple things here:

Why does this machine not get much use right now?  At 500 MHz, is it too
slow/painful to use for the tasks you need to get done?

Or perhaps you simply don't have a pressing need to use *any* computer all
that often?  Of course, I don't know what your needs/usage habits are.

I *do* know a couple of people who quite angrily insist on having the
latest/greatest box on their desk when all they ever do is mail and light
surfing...and infrequently at that.  Can you stick with what you already
have for a while longer?

At any rate, you might want to think carefully about why your old computer
just sits there before sinking money into a new one...that just sits there.

>I am thinking about offering it as a trade in.

I would strongly advise against this, if only because trade-ins are a great
way for businesses to make money off of you twice.  Not only are they making
a profit off of the "new" machine, but I guarantee you they'll turn around
and sell your old one for much more than they'll give you for it.  Yes,
selling your old box on your own is a hassle, but you'll get more money for
it that way.  You could sell it on the LEM Swap list, or, failing that,
eBay.   This would be apart from any local options like, say, taking out an
ad in the paper or showing up at a local Mac User Group.

For the most part, the primary recommendation for trade-ins is that they are
convenient...a convenient way to lose money.

Conservatively, you could prolly get at _least_ $50 for your old machine.
That would move you to within $100 of a Mac mini.  Of course, this is
assuming you'd buy a *new* mini.  I'm sure there are refurbished units for
sale (check Apple's site...and others).  Not to mention people who have
bought/been given minis and just decided it wasn't a good fit for them.

Finally, there's that wacky "sales" tax thing.  I don't know what state
you're in, but could ordering a mini from out of state possibly save you on
sales tax?  Apple seems to offer free shipping for the mini, too.

Before you drop $350 on an older machine, I would suggest you take a close
look at the specs on the mini and see if it might meet your needs:

http://lowendmac.com/mini/index.html

If nothing else, the mini runs at 1.25 GHz with a 167MHz bus.  That's worth
thinking about, apart from all the other more "modern" features (like USB
2.0) it offers.  The mini may cost you a bit more, but would it have a
greater service life because of the faster speed?  Only you know the answer
to that.


Best,

James Fraser





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