And another problem with that 'generic page' that I see for
win98 updates, is this:

"Windows IDE Hard Drive Cache Package
 The Windows IDE Hard Drive Cache Package provides a
workaround to a recently identified issue with computers that
have the combination of Integrated Drive Electronics (IDE)
hard disk drives with large caches and newer/faster
processors. Computers with this combination may risk losing
data if the hard disk shuts down before it can preserve the
data in its cache. "

This NOT one of the 'critical win98 updates'.  I remember
seeing that on MY computer when it went to the update site a
few weeks back, and that was listed under "driver updates"
which is something you NEVER EVER want to install!!  I found
out the hard way.  I installed that on this PC and it almost
'ruined' it!!  If not for that knowledge, I would have
clicked that link to download that on this other PC and it
would have screwed it up as well.  That's why it's so
important I get to the 'standard windows update page', where
it 'scans' your PC because there all the updates are
CATEGORIZED under subtitles (so I then know to avoid the
'driver updates area).  Everywhere else they are not
categorized.

A footnote....3 times in the past I installed things under
the 'driver updates category' and EVERY TIME it destroyed
something!!  first time was a sound card driver update (ESS
Allegro 4 channel).  After that, I never had audio from WMP
files!!  Had to REFORMAT to fix it!!  Another time was
updates for my ATI AIW Pro video card.  PC never started in
any other way other that safe mode after that!!  Reformat
again was ALL that fixed it!  This last time was that IDE
driver update mentioned above.  Thankfully, I first saw it
when I was using a test hard drive and installed it on that.
So, when it got screwed up from that update, I still had my
main good HD.  What that update did was create yellow marks
in the device manager for my ATA 66 integrated controller
that could not be removed!  To show you they really were
corrupt, or just plain horrible, a few days after that they
were removed from the update site!  I guess MS got tons of
complaints about that one.  So, any of you BEWARE about
installing ANYTHING under the "Driver updates" area at the
windows update site.  ALWAYS get driver updates from the
manufacturer's site ONLY.  Evidently MS has some screwed up
version of the manufacturer's driver updates.
-Clint

God Bless Us All
Clint Hamilton, Owner
http://OrpheusComputing.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Kaulback" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Clint, remember that M$ will be dropping support for 98 later
this year so
it would be beneficial to download the updates whole in the
event that the
links for them are removed completely from the site.  If you
do here
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/downloads/default.asp you
can do this as
well you can order the Windows 98 Customer Service Pack which
basically
updates 98 to the SE level.
As well there is the win98 corporate page here
http://www.microsoft.com/windows98/downloads/corporate.asp
Once I started doing on-site work I began to download all
updates for
95/98/98SE/NT4 and burn them to disc.  It's just so
convenient.  HTH

Peter Kaulback

In the hour of 07:20 AM 3/9/2002 -0600,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Clint
Hamilton spoke this:
>Could someone please tell me what has happened to the
windows
>update site for a NEW win98 installation????!!!!!!!!!!  It's
>GONE.  Score another for MS jerks!!  How the hell do they
>expect you to update win98 now!!  I just installed win98 on
>another PC here (to give to my Dad ;-), and like I've done
>thousands of times before (after the yellow marks are gone
in
>the DM) I immediately go to the update site.  Not anymore!
>Some page comes up and states "windows update will no longer
>work with your computer"!!!!!!  On that page is all sorts of
>links to click and NONE bring you to the typical regular
>update site!!  I click the "windows 98" update link in the
>start menu (as always) and the page that comes up is full of
>all sorts of BS for ME and SE, and all sorts of other things
>I've never even seen before!!  I even went to my PC and
>clicked the update icon, got that URL and the other PC still
>will not go to the regular update page!  So, how the h*ll is
>someone supposed to update a win98 PC now just after a
>reformat or new install?  I was just about to reformat MY
>main HD, and it's good thing I didn't and found out about
>this before I did!
>
>A link would be appreciated.  :-)
>Thanks,
>-Clint
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