Thanks Gerry, and also to Greg, I can understand the first bit of your reply
but the second  ie boot with a DOS floppy ............. is a bit beyond me.
I will give it a few read throughs.
As usual though your help is much appreciated.
John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gerald E. Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: PCWorks: Customised ME OS


> At 12:21 AM 4/19/02 +0100, jfisher wrote the following:
>
> >My question is how on earth do Tiny manage to keep their precence on the
> >computer even after a format.
> >And of course is there a way to clear Tiny off the computer and install
the
> >normal os.
>
> MBR - Master Boot Record
>
> The boot code for any OS is stored here. Many format operations do NOT
> affect the MBR so in effect whatever startup code is located here stays
> forever. Primary example of this is when you try to install Linux and
> Windows, realize that Windows will screw up the boot record, delete the
> Linux partition, try to install Windows first, oops Windows setup runs
into
> a problem and stops and you go back and forth scratching your head trying
to
> get this resolved.
>
> Try the undocumented "fdisk /mbr" command first before formatting the
disk.
>
> FDISK /MBR Rewrites the Master Boot Record (Q69013)
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;q69013
>
> If you really want to wipe the boot record use DOS debug.
>
> Note: The following advice will completely wipe your Master Boot Record,
> which contains all your partition information. DO NOT DO THIS unless you
> know that this is exactly the result you want.
>
> Boot with a DOS floppy that has "debug.exe" on it. Execute "debug". At the
> '-' prompt with are going to "block-fill" a the 512-byte MBR with zeroes:
> f 9000:0 200 0
> Start assember code with the 'a' command, and enter the following code:
> mov dx,9000
> mov es,dx
> xor bx,bx
> mov cx,0001
> mov dx,0080
> mov ax,0301
> int 13
> int 20
> Press Enter key to exit the assembler and press "g" to execute, then "q"
to
> quit. Your hard disk is now in a virgin state, ready for partitioning,
> formatting and installation of an OS.
>
> --
> Gerry Boyd
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