Perhaps it's a matter of missing documentation? I don't think, that
discussing something on a mailing list counts as "documentation".
There is a readme file that loads up when I install Pd-extended, I
would expect such a file to tell me of the kind of changes that will
totally break my work when I upgrade. Perhaps just a big BOLD notice
telling users to check in flatspace folder for missing externals.

I guess I missed all this discussion you refer to, but if I read this
list when I am in the middle of workday coding bad PHP or Ajax, I'm
not so likely to remember some things. In fact, the only thing I knew
about was counter, I had no idea about the random stuff and no
recollection of ever seeing this discussion. I guess that's weird,
maybe I'm getting old and forgetting everything... ;-)

I guess I didn't realize how much was moving to flatspace, the
discussion made me think it was things I didn't really use and not a
very large amount of externals. Now that I've looked in that folder I
see what you are talking about!!!

Anyway in this case I rebuilt the externals as abstractions, which
wasn't so hard. The randomF I posted was missing a loadbang though, so
attached is the corrected one for posterity's sake...

~David

Anyway I missed a loadbang in my last patch, so here are the

~David

On 6/3/07, Frank Barknecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hallo,
David Powers hat gesagt: // David Powers wrote:

> Second issue, which to me is perhaps a bigger problem: the utility
> externals seem to have disappeared from Gem with no warning.

IIRC the "warning" was kind of discussed several times on the
Gem/Pd-related lists, but nevertheless: the MarkEx files have been
moved out of Gem to their own "library" called "markex" in
pd-extended. There they are also part of what's called "flatspace" in
pd-extended-lingo.

Ciao
--
 Frank Barknecht                 _ ______footils.org_ __goto10.org__

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#X obj 26 20 inlet;
#X obj 26 151 random;
#X obj 26 177 / 100000;
#X obj 70 124 * 100000;
#X obj 26 213 outlet;
#X obj 70 104 f \$1;
#X obj 97 77 loadbang;
#X obj 76 22 inlet;
#X connect 0 0 1 0;
#X connect 1 0 2 0;
#X connect 2 0 4 0;
#X connect 3 0 1 1;
#X connect 5 0 3 0;
#X connect 6 0 5 0;
#X connect 7 0 5 0;
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#X obj 48 25 inlet;
#X obj 49 60 t b b b;
#X obj 47 200 pack 0 0 0;
#X obj 43 260 outlet;
#X obj 35 134 randomF \$1;
#X obj 119 133 randomF \$1;
#X obj 191 134 randomF \$1;
#X obj 180 30 inlet;
#X obj 180 62 t f f f;
#X connect 0 0 1 0;
#X connect 1 0 4 0;
#X connect 1 1 5 0;
#X connect 1 2 6 0;
#X connect 2 0 3 0;
#X connect 4 0 2 0;
#X connect 5 0 2 1;
#X connect 6 0 2 2;
#X connect 7 0 8 0;
#X connect 8 0 4 1;
#X connect 8 1 5 1;
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