On Mar 7, 2008, at 5:23 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote: > On Fri, 2008-03-07 at 01:28 +0000, Damian Stewart wrote: >> hey, >> >> i was talking to a Portuguese musician tonight (Miguel Cardoso is >> his name) >> and he was saying that he thought that Pd sounded much better than >> Max - a >> fuller sound with the oscillators, he said. >> >> i hadn't really thought about this before, but i do know that to >> my ears my >> Pd patches sound a lot richer than most Max/MSP stuff that I've >> heard - not >> sure whether that's my source material or patches or whether it's >> at a >> deeper architectural level than that. >> >> anyone have any evidence, anecdotal or otherwise, to confirm this? >> reasons >> why this might be the case? > > > hey funny... i also heard people saying something similar the other > way > around. > > since the same digital algorithm produces the same results on two > different machines or in two different softwares, i think there are > only > very esoteric reasons to believe, that one sounds 'fuller' (what > does it > mean technically?) or 'richer' (more harmonics?) than the other. > for me > this goes to a similar direction as the discussion, if oxygen free, > golden plated 8mm-diammeter speaker cables sound better than others (i > would rather suspect a difference there than between max and pd). > > hm.. thinking more about that, i wonder whether this guy thinks, > that pd > people do just different, probably subjectively better sounding stuff. > or does he really think, that [phasor~] in pd sounds nicer than the > [phasor~] in max? this would be actually quite easy to test, if > there is > any difference at all. create a wav with same frequency and phase of a > [phasor~], once in pd, once in max, and then subtract the one from the > other and if you do not get a completely silent file, > then............... *i shut up* ;-) >
I think it is unlikely that there is a noticeable difference in double-blind testing. I am sure that people hear differences between them, but I am guessing that those differences are inside the brain, rather than outside :). Also, consider that MSP started from Pd code. .hc ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick. - David Zicarelli _______________________________________________ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list