On May 5, 2008, at 10:07 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > marius schebella hat gesagt: // marius schebella wrote: > >> what is so bad about, if you create [ADSR] that it comes as a nice >> little control gui with all the knobs already included? >> it is not true that words are "better" than images. and it is not >> true >> that more information in a patch means "better". >> I think you are right from the viewpoint of a programming user, but >> users that just want higher level usuability want better graphics at >> least the *possibility* to add graphical UI features. but this is >> quite >> a lot of work... > > Most of my patches only use a handful of Pd core objects, like maybe > (guessing) 50 builtins and some externals. However on my disk there > are hundreds of abstractions, that I use. If I would need to think of > and design icons for each of these, I would not use abstractions and I > would feel severly limited in what I could express with Pd. Concrete > example: What icons should I use for the ~60 abstractions in the > list-abs collection? It's no problem to express their functionality > using words, but icons would be horribly confusing. Oh, and yes: I'm a > programming user here, but I believe most Pd users are programming > users, and the others rely on the work of programming users.
Pd definitely needs text, text is a great, flexible symbol system for representing a massive array of words. But I also think that some iconic objects would be nice, like jMax's trigger or Max/MSP's gate. .hc > > Ciao > -- > Frank Barknecht _ > ______footils.org__ > > _______________________________________________ > PD-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > listinfo/pd-list ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ---- There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste _______________________________________________ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list